View Full Version : so when is yellowstone national park going to erupt?
we all know its going to erupt some time soon, maybe even in our lifetime, so what time or dates do you think it will happen?
im pretty sure its going to happen a few years after 2012,
your opinions?
quote:Originally posted by nonarky:
we all know its going to erupt some time soon, maybe even in our lifetime, so what time or dates do you think it will happen?
im pretty sure its going to happen a few years after 2012,
your opinions?
If 2012 hails a poleshift...
then 2012.
boozehound420
2007-03-05, 02:46
expect global fucken caos if it does. Followed by an ice age. Yay for natural selection. Sadly many totseans wont make it.
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Ressotami
2007-03-05, 12:49
I'm so glad I live nowhere near that monster. I'll only hear about it after the 4.5 Earthquake and subsequent Tsunami.
Head for the high ground.
i wouldn't be surprised if it happened tomorrow and i wouldn't be surprised if it happened in 10,000 years.
im glad i don't live anywhere near (UK) to feel the primary effects but a super eruption will cause global effects probably with no precident in human history
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^Its supposed to happen sometime within the next 100 years.^
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
^Its supposed to happen sometime within the next 100 years.^
sounds evil. fortunately you know about the axial tilt changing from whatever it is to the other side. kind of scary to know that we'll be on this big spinning rock as it spins into position... oughtta be quite a ride as we're obliterated into the oblivion... lol
Superdave
2007-03-06, 02:49
Jeff should move the totse server to somewhere in the Canadian shield.
boozehound420
2007-03-06, 02:58
quote:Originally posted by Superdave:
Jeff should move the totse server to somewhere in the Canadian shield.
Wheres the canadian shield?
BUt ya if that fucker erupts ash will go global, blocking the sun and dropping global temperature for 100's of years untill the ash falls and the sun can get through.
quote:fortunately you know about the axial tilt changing from whatever it is to the other side. kind of scary to know that we'll be on this big spinning rock as it spins into position... oughtta be quite a ride as we're obliterated into the oblivion... lol
Dude, that's not what's happening. All that would happen is a shift in the movement of the iron core. The axial tilt will not change. And this will not cause major problems. It happens every so often, once 40,000 years ago if I recall correctly. It didn't cause mass extinctions any other time, there's no reason to assume it'll cause any now.
A Yellowstone eruption is a real thing. We've measured the pressure beneath Yellowstone. The land there is being forcibly raised by the pressure.
No matter where you live this event will cause death. The sun will be blotted. The last time a supervolcano erupted like this, humans were almost wiped out. Literally. And this supervolcano is far larger than that one.
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InspectorWidget
2007-03-06, 03:21
Canadian shield is up north Ontario. Its rocky. Old appilation mountains or something my spelling sucks
StealthyRacoons
2007-03-06, 03:44
i heard a good chunk of north America is gonna feel that one.
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
Dude, that's not what's happening. All that would happen is a shift in the movement of the iron core. The axial tilt will not change. And this will not cause major problems. It happens every so often, once 40,000 years ago if I recall correctly. It didn't cause mass extinctions any other time, there's no reason to assume it'll cause any now.
I think the Earths outer crust would shift direction, not the inner core. This would cause mass havoc. And they have been linked with...'leaps' in the evolutionary scale.
Mass death + having lots of sex after + altered DNA (due to cosmic rays) + great change in environment = a 'leap' in evolution.
quote:I think the Earths outer crust would shift direction, not the inner core. This would cause mass havoc. And they have been linked with...'leaps' in the evolutionary scale.
Mass death + having lots of sex after + altered DNA (due to cosmic rays) + great change in environment = a 'leap' in evolution.
But it would not be a leap anymore than the evolution of wolves from an ancestral species is. Leap is not nearly as appropriate as shift.
Cosmic radiation will not, in virtually all cases, do anything good for animals. Even on the off chance that it changes your DNA for the better; it also causes sterilization.
The outer crust will change? How do you mean? The crust of Earth has no role in the production of the magnetic field, that's the function of the swirling mass of molten iron at Earth's centre.
Are you really suggesting that when the magnetic field changes polarity, somehow the crust of Earth will move?
quote:However, Homo erectus and their ancestors certainly survived many previous reversals. There is no uncontested evidence that a magnetic field reversal has ever caused any biological extinctions. A possible explanation is that the solar wind may induce a sufficient magnetic field in the Earth's ionosphere to shield energetic particles even in the absence of the Earth's normal magnetic field [1].
-Wikipedia
Sorry, geomagnetic reversal has not yet been linked to any extinctions, let alone mass extinctions. Maybe it will be so linked, someday, but not yet.
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quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
But it would not be a leap anymore than the evolution of wolves from an ancestral species is.
Compared to the long, slow process of evolution under normal circumstances, I think 'leap' is quite appropriate.
However:
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
Leap is not nearly as appropriate as shift.
I can agree with that.
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
Cosmic radiation will not, in virtually all cases, do anything good for animals. Even on the off chance that it changes your DNA for the better; it also causes sterilization.
Neither do the normal, just-by-chance mutations that are the apparent cause of evolution. Most cause harm. And I haven't
heard of it causing sterilization before. If it does, then I guess the whole idea just wouldn't work.
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
The outer crust will change? How do you mean? The crust of Earth has no role in the production of the magnetic field, that's the function of the swirling mass of molten iron at Earth's centre.
I think the outer crust spinning around the inner core is what makes the magnetic sphere. That being said, if the poles reversed, the crust would spin the the opposite direction. The sun would seem to set in the west.
Which would be very bad for all the living things sitting around on that crust.
Do you know the Earths inner core is swirling? Theres no way for us to tell which theory is the correct one.
That being said, there are ancient descriptions of the sun rising in the west once before a great disaster, after which is always rose in the east. That and similar descriptions are found in ancient writings all over the globe.
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
Are you really suggesting that when the magnetic field changes polarity, somehow the crust of Earth will move?
Yes.
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
Sorry, geomagnetic reversal has not yet been linked to any extinctions, let alone mass extinctions.
I think I've read that it has somewhere...but if you're right, it can only be a good thing.
Ryangeneral
2007-03-07, 21:12
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
^Its supposed to happen sometime within the next 100 years.^
Its tens of thousands of years overdue, according to the pattern of the last several eruptions. 100 years my ass, theres no way of predicting it that accuratly.
when it does tho everything in the central USA is screwed, i live on the east coast i might make it. who cares, the usa deserves to be destroyed anyways
BTW obbe, that doesnt make sense, the crust is not what the earth spinning is. if the magnetic poles reverse, compasses with face south. that is basically all that will happen. theres not gonna be any kind of crust shift, and the crust DOES NOT rotate around the core at all.
^learned that stuff in 6th grade, go back to school please
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Ryangeneral
2007-03-07, 21:21
Another thing about a life bottleneck on earth is that only the best species survive, so it is like a clensing of the genetic pool.
quote:Originally posted by Ryangeneral:
Its tens of thousands of years overdue, according to the pattern of the last several eruptions. 100 years my ass, theres no way of predicting it that accuratly.
BTW obbe, that doesnt make sense, the crust is not what the earth spinning is. if the magnetic poles reverse, compasses with face south. that is basically all that will happen. theres not gonna be any kind of crust shift, and the crust DOES NOT rotate around the core at all.
Yes, it is very overdue. Which is why many scientists predict it must go sometime in the next century. I didn't predict that, I read it somewhere. I don't know why they say that, and I don't know if their correct or not. Like with most things.
Sure it makes sense, you know what a dynamo is right? And the Earth's core is Mostly iron, right? At least, as far as we know.
So you learned the opposite in the 6th grade...you know how much crap they teach as facts in school? I don't know how many times they would re-teach something differently then they had taught it to me a year or two earlier, because new evidence disproved the old theories.
How can they know how the center of the Earth acts or looks like? When we compare the Earth to an egg, our deepest drilled holes haven't even broke the shell yet.
You can't know that any more then you can know what your own heart looks like out in the open.
Heres something that doesn't make sense to me...why would the center of an extremly dense object (Earth, for example) be flowing/spinning?
boozehound420
2007-03-07, 23:47
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
Heres something that doesn't make sense to me...why would the center of an extremly dense object (Earth, for example) be flowing/spinning?
Because its liquid. And it gets colder the farther from the center you go. So there a difference in temperature, hot rises and cold falls to fill its place. Just like the oceans. Except the oceans its hotter at the surface.
quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:
Because its liquid. And it gets colder the farther from the center you go. So there a difference in temperature, hot rises and cold falls to fill its place. Just like the oceans. Except the oceans its hotter at the surface.
Its all theory. We don't know anything for sure.
Twisted_Ferret
2007-03-08, 05:58
quote:Originally posted by Druidus:
No matter where you live this event will cause death. The sun will be blotted. The last time a supervolcano erupted like this, humans were almost wiped out. Literally. And this supervolcano is far larger than that one.
Lol... shit. Source?
http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm
Yeah, sounds like a party. http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)
Not where or when I want to be. I'll respond to you, Obbe, tomorrow.
I wouldn't bother, Druidus, but okay.
Ressotami
2007-03-08, 14:06
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
if the poles reversed, the crust would spin the the opposite direction. The sun would seem to set in the west.
This would NOT happen.
The sun would set in the west. But only because the definition of the word "west" would have changed.
The earth would not spin in the opposite direction however.
Slave of the Beast
2007-03-08, 15:42
I just left PD to come here to GP, clicked on this thread and ended back up in PD again.
WTF?
I agree, this thread has gone off-topic. Although I like the topic it went to, it shouldn't be discussed here.
A thread about it should be made in PD though.
pyrogeek
2007-03-09, 03:28
So the problem is the pressure keeps building up. Why can't they just plant a few small explosive charges, and just release the pressure slower so it doesn't do as much damage. Kind of like avalanche control, set off small avalanches so you don't end up with a big one.
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
When we compare the Earth to an egg, our deepest drilled holes haven't even broke the shell yet.
Yes, and that is why we can bounce sonar through things to get a general idea of what they look like.
Zodiac228
2007-03-09, 16:05
I live 1600 miles east of Yellowstone. Should have 3 days to gather up my belongings and get the hell out, before the ash and acid clouds reach me. If I can catch a flight back to where my parents live (10,000 miles away)... I should be able to survive a little more longer. Unless, an ice age takes over.
fat_people_suck
2007-03-09, 19:23
damn...I live in montana...I think i'm fucked
quote:Originally posted by 2007:
Yes, and that is why we can bounce sonar through things to get a general idea of what they look like.
And they have done this to the entire Earth, straight through?
boozehound420
2007-03-10, 06:15
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
Its all theory. We don't know anything for sure.
And what do we know for shur? Theory is the highest level of science. If you dont understand that you have problams.
deus-redux
2007-03-10, 09:54
Seriously, some of you have some strange ideas.
The earths crust is made up of techtonic plates.
These are moving SLOWLY in DIFFERENT directions.
The reversal of the poles will weaken the earth's magnetic field, but not so much as to kill us all with radiation.
-deus-
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
And they have done this to the entire Earth, straight through?
They have gotten pretty deep, but I'm sure there are area's sonar can't penetrate yet. This is how they know the core is swirling magma and molten metals somehow. I'm not an expert on this, does anyone know the correct term for it?
Ressotami
2007-03-10, 15:42
quote:Originally posted by pyrogeek:
So the problem is the pressure keeps building up. Why can't they just plant a few small explosive charges, and just release the pressure slower so it doesn't do as much damage. Kind of like avalanche control, set off small avalanches so you don't end up with a big one.
Yellowstone park is vast.
There exists no practical way to set off an "avalanche" of that magnitude.
And doing such a thing could very well cause an event of similar size to the eruption without our interference.
boozehound420
2007-03-10, 16:16
quote:Originally posted by deus-redux:
The reversal of the poles will weaken the earth's magnetic field, but not so much as to kill us all with radiation.
-deus-
There is no scientific basis for this pole shift anyways. Theres been some hypothesis (assumptions). There is no theory. And I've tried a few times to find actuall research on the topic and all you get is religious prophecies, the destruction of atlantis all that garbage.
A geomagnetic reversal could happen with little to no effect on the planet. And when it happens we'll learn alot because its the first time modern humans can witness it.
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quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:
And what do we know for shur? Theory is the highest level of science. If you dont understand that you have problams.
We know nothing for sure.
southernsun
2007-03-10, 16:51
If it did erupt, the US would blame someone.
deus-redux
2007-03-10, 16:57
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
And they have done this to the entire Earth, straight through?
You don't have to. The earth is, for the most part, pretty rotationally symetrical.
The way the different types of seismic waves refract through the mantle and/or not the core tell us about their density and state.
We therefore know that under the crust is a thick liquid, and at the center is a solid core.
-deus-
-deus-
gam3r_with_revenge
2007-03-10, 18:29
quote:Originally posted by Superdave:
Jeff should move the totse server to somewhere in the Canadian shield.
Slave of the Beast
2007-03-10, 20:16
quote:Originally posted by deus-redux:
Seriously, some of you have some strange ideas.
The earths crust is made up of techtonic plates.
These are moving SLOWLY in DIFFERENT directions.
The reversal of the poles will weaken the earth's magnetic field, but not so much as to kill us all with radiation.
-deus-
You're confusing pole shift with geomagentic reversal. Pole shift is the rapid reversal of the physical poles.
Like I said, this thread has descended into PD territory.
quote:Originally posted by deus-redux:
We therefore know that under the crust is a thick liquid, and at the center is a solid core.
Which is something I think is necessary for my understanding of pole shift theory. But knowing that alone tells us nothing of the cores role during a magnetic reversal.
How do you explain the undigested remains of plant life found only in warmer climates, found in the stomachs of frozen mammoths found in norther Siberia?
quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:
Pole shift is the rapid reversal of the physical poles.
Like I said, this thread has descended into PD territory.
Maybe to some people, but when I refer to pole shift theory and 2012, I don't personally include thoughts of the world turning over. I think the magnetic poles will reverse, and the rotation of the planet will change. I think there may be a change in tilt, but not to the degree where you would think the planet has turned over.
And yes, it is not a topic meant for here. Someone should make a thread in PD.
cooldarkknick
2007-03-11, 04:08
quote:Originally posted by Ressotami:
This would NOT happen.
The sun would set in the west. But only because the definition of the word "west" would have changed.
The earth would not spin in the opposite direction however.
I agree with Resso. Obbe your full of shit lol.
quote:Originally posted by cooldarkknick:
I agree with Resso. Obbe your full of shit lol.
I very well may be. So could many things.
Let me ask you this, what causes geomagnetic reversals, for what purpose?
edit - that sounds kinda vague, I meant what causes the changes in the outer core (the liquid layer) for it to reverse the magnetic field?
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Slave of the Beast
2007-03-11, 10:53
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
Maybe to some people, but when I refer to pole shift theory and 2012, I don't personally include thoughts of the world turning over. I think the magnetic poles will reverse, and the rotation of the planet will change. I think there may be a change in tilt, but not to the degree where you would think the planet has turned over.
And yes, it is not a topic meant for here. Someone should make a thread in PD.
Tell me, where exactly is the energy required to halt and then reverse the rotation of the Earth going to come from?
quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:
Tell me, where exactly is the energy required to halt and then reverse the rotation of the Earth going to come from?
I think its a cyclic occurrence, that is tied in with sun-spot cycles. The Sun's next solar maximum is going to be during 2012, and its already looking like its gonna be a big one.
I think the Earths magnetic field will continue to weaken as it is, and then when the time is right, a static 'bolt' will hit Earth from the Sun and 'recharge' the field.
Its the same principle as what happens when lighting strikes a magnet; it goes under a pole-reversal.
I don't think a 'bolt of lightning' will reach out from the Sun and strike Earth, it'll be more like a very big flare. Of highly charged particles, hitting the planet during a low-point in the strength of the planets magnetic field.
The rotation changing direction would be a result of the magnetic-reverse.
I think it happens like clock-work, we've just never been able to record or understand it before.
Slave of the Beast
2007-03-11, 16:19
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
The rotation changing direction would be a result of the magnetic-reverse.
Yes, but how?
The rotation of the Earth is not dependent on it's magnetic fields, or solar flares or anything else you have so far mentioned. None of them can even being to account for the incredible amount of kinetic energy that would be required to stop then restart the earth spinning in the opposite direction.
Ressotami
2007-03-11, 16:49
quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:
Yes, but how?
The rotation of the Earth is not dependent on it's magnetic fields, or solar flares or anything else you have so far mentioned. None of them can even being to account for the incredible amount of kinetic energy that would be required to stop then restart the earth spinning in the opposite direction.
The amount of energy required would most likely result in the destruction of the earth.
Slave of the Beast
2007-03-11, 17:19
That would depend on the timescale.
No, I'm not endorsing this lunacy, merely making a point.
quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:
Tell me, where exactly is the energy required to halt and then reverse the rotation of the Earth going to come from?
Pole shift.
Slave of the Beast
2007-03-12, 00:04
quote:Originally posted by ate:
Pole shift.
Why don't you make a gear shift and accelerate back off into PD?
quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:
Yes, but how?
The rotation of the Earth is not dependent on it's magnetic fields, or solar flares or anything else you have so far mentioned. None of them can even being to account for the incredible amount of kinetic energy that would be required to stop then restart the earth spinning in the opposite direction.
How is something I do not know.
How does it work in your concept of magnetic reversal?
What does the rotation of the Earth depend on? Momentum from when it was all created?
Maybe. But we don't know that, now do we?
Slave of the Beast
2007-03-12, 23:33
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
How is something I do not know.
Well what is your motivation for suggesting it then?
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
How does it work in your concept of magnetic reversal?
The mechanism isn't known, and I'm not in a position to start postulating.
quote:Originally posted by Obbe:
What does the rotation of the Earth depend on? Momentum from when it was all created?
Maybe. But we don't know that, now do we?
It is the most plausible theory. More plausible than anything to do with magnetism.
And if we head into the "but we don't know that" territory, then we may as well start discussing the potential role pixies played in the formation of the early universe.
quote:Originally posted by Slave of the Beast:
Well what is your motivation for suggesting it then?
mmmm...Other's curiosity. It started out with my reply to when I think Yellowstone will erupt. From then on, it was a series of questions and comments towards the plausibility of the pole shift, which I tried answering to the best of my ability. How it would work, exactly, I don't know.
Some people have thought about other planets passing by, 'Zeata' aliens, it even be a result of nuclear war. I personally think that if a pole shift occurs during 2012, it would be the result of major solar flare 'lighting'. Not because I know anything about the actual mechanism. But to me it makes sense because,
a The next solar maximum happens to be on 2012. The sun is acting unusual right now.
b The Mayans original prediction was created using a sunspot-cycle 'model', which they somehow obtained, which is still accurate even today. All their astronomical predictions are extremely accurate.
c Lightning striking a magnet reverses its polarity.
It all Just lines up to me. But I realize just as well as you how wrong I could be.
quote:
The mechanism isn't known, and I'm not in a position to start postulating.
Sure you are, its just that nobody is going to take you seriously even if you just guessed what people 200 years from now find out to be truth. Trust me.
quote:
It is the most plausible theory. More plausible than anything to do with magnetism.
Depending on the perspective of course.
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