View Full Version : children need religion
whiteboyfalldown
2005-02-15, 15:22
In this day and age, when atheism is evrywhere and kids are off killing each other I can't help but think that most of todays problems with teen's and youth come from noy enough religion in their lives.
Now I know this sounds stupid but think about it.
In any religion be it christianity, judaism, buddhism or other there are are certain rules.
don't steal
don't kill
be nice to others.
and if you don't follow these rules bad shit will happen to you.
when kids go to church they're told of some higher power that knows all and see's all and that higher power doesn't want thewm doing bad shit. Now when your three that stuff makes you stop for a second before you torch the neighbours cat and make you wonder whether or not god might be about to throw a lightning bolt your way.
anyways in short, I beleive that children need religionin their lives to help them to become good individuals.
-meh
reZnor13
2005-02-15, 16:02
don't steal
don't kill
be nice to others.
those things can be taught without religion, just common sense and decency.
and if you don't follow these rules bad shit will happen to you.
you can re-enforce that with empty threats and time outs.
[This message has been edited by reZnor13 (edited 02-15-2005).]
devil's haircut
2005-02-15, 16:07
and canings, gotta love those
Tamerlane
2005-02-15, 16:36
Fuck no!
If kids accept and want the religion, fine, but it shouldn't be forced. That way they'll grow up just like you don't want them to(AKA - Like me, who is now a devout atheist)!
Forcing religion on children is just asking for an early "teen angst period". You could try telling them some Bible stories or something, but if they aren't interested in that, then don't force it on them!!
UnknownVeritas
2005-02-15, 18:23
Whiteboy:
So atheists are inherently violent and aggressive? Funny, I usually see atheists as passive and apathetic. Maybe it's just me.
The real problem here is parenting (or lack thereof), not a decrease in religious teachings. You can teach children morals and respect for life without sending them to church or preaching "God's word".
Also, if you have a three year old that torches your neighbor's cats... I think you have more problems than a trip to confession can handle.
Anyway, going along with the lack of parenting theory - Most children that I see are raised almost entirely by the media. What do parents do to "entertain" their child? Park them in front of the ol' TV. It's much easier than actually spending time with your growing child... you know, that influential time when you should be teaching them critical concepts that will shape their character in the future. But who cares about that, right? The football game will be on in a bit; screw the kids. (Sadly, this is how it seems most of the time)
We all know how desensitizing a few weeks in front of the television can really be. And that is exactly where most children end up spending the majority of their time. You want your children to grow up with respect and an appreciation for the world around them? Get them away from the goddamn TV and spend some time with them.
/end rant
- Have a nice day.
ASH_shop_S-mart
2005-02-15, 19:04
If anything, religion should not be taught. Until a certain age where a youngen can make his/her own choice.
I've pondered this for a while, and if anyone knows please inform me.
Serial Killers, how many of them had strong religious parents who forced them into thier religion?
ValiantDefiance
2005-02-15, 21:09
Perhaps what they actually need is...PARENTS...who pay attention to wtf they're out doing. Why is a kid out dealing or shooting his friends? Not because he doesn't have God, because he doesn't have a family.
God and the family went down the tubes at about the same time. It's important to remember however, that religion is just a code of ethics that parents teach to their kids (as far as it applies to keeping children from doing dumb stuff). If their parents were actually doing anything with them, they would pick up on these things from them. That's the way it works.
Don't throw God at people, he's pretty heavy. One who isn't sufficiently prepared for that weight should not be exposed.
deptstoremook
2005-02-16, 02:40
Since when is one belief system inherently unsuitable for children? Religion has been taught to children for ages, and society has gotten along pretty well. So where's the goddamn problem?
Keltoiberserker
2005-02-16, 03:17
the loss of morality has more to do with the cycle of decay than with religious teaching, reaching farther into the imperialist stage I can see more trouble ahead.
Garibaldi
2005-02-16, 03:39
quote:Originally posted by whiteboyfalldown:
In this day and age, when atheism is evrywhere...
If only...
yeah kids need religion . So they know their genitals are evil , how to follow rules blindly and that condoms constitute imoral sexual contact .
quote:Originally posted by whiteboyfalldown:
In this day and age, when atheism is evrywhere and kids are off killing each other I can't help but think that most of todays problems with teen's and youth come from noy enough religion in their lives.
Now I know this sounds stupid but think about it.
In any religion be it christianity, judaism, buddhism or other there are are certain rules.
don't steal
don't kill
be nice to others.
and if you don't follow these rules bad shit will happen to you.
when kids go to church they're told of some higher power that knows all and see's all and that higher power doesn't want thewm doing bad shit. Now when your three that stuff makes you stop for a second before you torch the neighbours cat and make you wonder whether or not god might be about to throw a lightning bolt your way.
anyways in short, I beleive that children need religionin their lives to help them to become good individuals.
-meh
Going to church doesn't help you to become a better person. You have to want to be a better person first. Remember the two boys from Columbine? People said that they both attended church on a regular basis with their families.
Remember Dahmer? He was taught from birth about religion. Didn't stop him from killing now did it?
Remember Ted Bundy? He was also brought up with religion. We all know what he did.
The list goes on and on. Hopefully you get the point though.
Metalligod
2005-02-16, 04:46
Depressing.......
Hexadecimal
2005-02-18, 02:39
If all the ignorant humans committed suicide at midnight, our race would go extinct in a 24 hour period...
flatplat
2005-02-18, 08:48
quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:
If all the ignorant humans committed suicide at midnight, our race would go extinct in a 24 hour period...
That includes both the atheists andd the religious
Monochrome
2005-02-18, 09:20
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-34377.html
http://www.noreligion.ca/readEssay.php?eid=5
Yes lets teach children the good old values...
Shaokhano
2005-02-18, 12:38
yeap that's exactly what we ned we don't want our kid's 2 b scared of the boogey man let's make them scared of god and then let's tell them that god love's them and if there bad will damn them 2 hell where they will feel pain beyond belief and will never b allowed 2 leave yeap god loves u i tell u all children need that
Hexadecimal
2005-02-18, 22:23
quote:Originally posted by flatplat:
That includes both the atheists andd the religious
Ya fuckin' think? Gee, I thought when I said 'our race' I only meant one portion of it...
Kids should be taught karma.
sellout_10
2005-02-19, 04:27
Bullshit, children need less toys and more beatings.
Digital_Savior
2005-02-20, 06:36
Children need structure and discipline, not religion.
Digital_Savior
2005-02-20, 06:38
quote:Originally posted by ValiantDefiance:
Perhaps what they actually need is...PARENTS...who pay attention to wtf they're out doing. Why is a kid out dealing or shooting his friends? Not because he doesn't have God, because he doesn't have a family.
I agree.
Lucifer has succeeded.
Breaking up the family institution was the one and only way to rip God out of the picture.
It makes perfect sense, because children and adults obviously weren't killing each other a couple hundred years ago when we had "religion."
"Religion" taught people good wholesome values, like teenage boys should be sent out to kill anyone who doesn't covert and teenage daughters were property and baby machines.
Way to go good wholesum family values. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
outcast234
2005-02-20, 08:34
quote:Originally posted by Beta69:
It makes perfect sense, because children and adults obviously weren't killing each other a couple hundred years ago when we had "religion."
"Religion" taught people good wholesome values, like teenage boys should be sent out to kill anyone who doesn't covert and teenage daughters were property and baby machines.
Way to go good wholesum family values. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
OMFG!
Religion.. WE NEED IT IN OUR SCHOOLS, AT HOME, EVERYWHERE.. BECAUSE WHAT ELSE ARE KIDS GOING TO DO? IF THEY AREN'T INTO GOD, AND BELIVING SEX IS BAD.. THEY'LL HAVE SEX, AND A GOOD TIME. AND YOU KNOW. WE CAN'T HAVE KIDS HAVING A GOOD TIME.
WE SHOULD ALSO BAN RAP MUSIC, METAL MUSIC, AND ANYGUY WITH HAIR LONGER THEN 2 INCHES NEEDS TO BE BURNED AT THE STAKE FOR WORSHIPPING SATAN!
Fai1safe
2005-02-20, 09:59
^^^^^^^^^^^
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH runs away screaming.
why kids are like they are today??..well,if you look back,i think you'd find a connection to the fact that they took spanking out of pubic schools.because after that it was abuse.at home or school.so all them kids that deserved a good ass whoopin' now and then..didn't get them.then kids started walking all over thier parents escalating to how they are now.Religion?no,...discipline
sellout_10
2005-02-20, 19:21
quote:Originally posted by Phamine:
why kids are like they are today??..well,if you look back,i think you'd find a connection to the fact that they took spanking out of pubic schools.because after that it was abuse.at home or school.so all them kids that deserved a good ass whoopin' now and then..didn't get them.then kids started walking all over thier parents escalating to how they are now.Religion?no,...discipline
I agree. Kids seriously need to be slapped or at least spanked when they're being snotty brats. They need fucking discipline and fast, otherwise this world is going down.
They also need less toys. When I was little, I had my legos, several board games (monopoly, checkers, chess, and cards), my books, my teddy, and a few toy cars. We weren't poor, either, just standard middle class. If we got bored with that, we would go play outside and use our imagination. Kids today have so many electronic gadgets, video that it makes me sick. And people wonder why kids are stupider and fatter.
I hate fat kids. They're just so gross. They're little kids, man, how can they get fat? Their metabolism is as fast as a cheetah on crack. Kids don't even need that much exercise if their parents would just make real food, make them play outside, discipline them when they're being snots, and actually interact with them instead of buying them scores of toys to keep themselves entertained.
[This message has been edited by sellout_10 (edited 02-20-2005).]
deptstoremook
2005-02-20, 21:57
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:
Children need structure and discipline, not religion.
Religion can be an effective means of imposing that structure and discipline.
But at least you and I can agree on one thing, Digital - that the family is the most important, most primary factor in a child's development. Even if our opinions diverge from there, it's good to agree on at least one thing.
SurahAhriman
2005-02-20, 23:18
I think it gets a bit more complicated than the fall of the traditional family. After all, the "traditional" family has only existed in America for less than a hundred years, and it stilll hasn't even caught on in many other parts of the world. Kids just need some kind of authority figure to lead by example. Just telling them what to do is insuffecient. They have to see how others act. I think it's more a massive failure of the part of the parents, than the failure of an institution.