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You Will Die
2005-06-12, 13:37
Give People Your Reasons Why You Believe There Is Or Isn't A God.
I believe there is or isn't a god because half a god is impossible.
stringalong
2005-06-12, 15:40
I don't do religion, don't subscribe to ritual as framed by others, although have accompanied my wife occassionally to church. Belief that life has a deeper meaning where God resides has been confirmed to me during moments of serious challenge; like being adrift in the Atlantic, until the very moment when I cried out that I would foresake God if help arrived (I was joking) a Greek freighter intervened. Or, when homeless and penniless in third world and first world countries where survival depended as much on timing as anything, to be saved time and time again. I'm serious, symbollism becomes literal and manifest in moments of crises, where only luck or the grace of God can explain what happened. It is almost too beautiful for words. God is your personal meaning in life. It is what connects you to everything. Now, live as God would want you to live and you, too, can experience what I experience.
you mean all i have to do is choose a god from among thousands of possibilities, imagine what he might want me to do with my life (grad school or gainful employment?), ascribe arbitrary meaning to likely coincidental events, and pretend to see my god's hand at work?
wow, who'd have thought it was so simple to experience god? seems like all you really have to do is lose touch with reality!
btw, were you on the 'amazing race' or something?
okay, update:
so... i've chosen Aphrodite. yes, i know, a little controversial - going with a goddess. but with the current backlash against feminism, i really believe the grace of the Goddess Aphrodite is being made evident, and the time has come for Her to reveal Her splendid omnipotence as the Supreme Creator of all heavens and earths.
plus, i just can't help but feel that life has a deeper meaning, that has been confirmed to me in moments of serious arousal. it just seems that whenever my dick gets hard, there's a sexy female present, manifesting the spirit of Goddess; like being alone one saturday night when i cried out that i would forsake porn if pussy didn't arrive, and then my Greek neighbor chick intervened... or when homeless and penniless in third world countries, when survival depended on not getting my dick into the skanky native pussy, and i ran into some barely legal american college girls on spring break. it is almost too beautiful for words. Goddess is my personal meaning in life. it's what connects me to everything.
SurahAhriman
2005-06-12, 19:54
Have you read the Bible? It's reason in and of itse;f to be an atheist.
stringalong
2005-06-12, 20:37
Actually, yes.
your_daemon
2005-06-13, 02:26
quote:Originally posted by Eil:
you mean all i have to do is choose a god from among thousands of possibilities, imagine what he might want me to do with my life (grad school or gainful employment?), ascribe arbitrary meaning to likely coincidental events, and pretend to see my god's hand at work?
wow, who'd have thought it was so simple to experience god? seems like all you really have to do is lose touch with reality!
btw, were you on the 'amazing race' or something?
Dont just subscribe to some god make up your own.
Paradise Lost
2005-06-13, 02:44
I am God.
quote:Originally posted by your_daemon:
Dont just subscribe to some god make up your own.
Definitely. Only subscribe to gods made up by other people. Exposing your spirit to home-brewed religions voids the warranty. Make sure they are fully tested for safety and that you have the most to gain socially from your religion.
MasterPython
2005-06-13, 06:58
quote:Originally posted by Sarter:
I believe there is or isn't a god because half a god is impossible.
Try telling that to an idol worshiper.
stringalong
2005-06-14, 00:22
Invisible hands and feats
You have to believe it to be seen
How unimportant we are
Yet how conceited
To believe it is up to us
From such a narrow perspective
Dark13One
2005-06-14, 00:52
I believe that 'God' is simply the collective efforts of every concious being. I think this because if you subconciously want something - in time you will get it. If 5 trillion things want the same thing, they will get it alot faster.
quote:Originally posted by Dark13One:
I believe that 'God' is simply the collective efforts of every concious being. I think this because if you subconciously want something - in time you will get it. If 5 trillion things want the same thing, they will get it alot faster.
exactly what i think! though i also believe that all it takes is complete individual belief for something to be a reality.
btw, see the movie "what the bleep do we know?!", it's got stuff on this sort of thing.
bombtrack
2005-06-14, 14:36
Im generally unhappy with religion personally.(although i dont generally have a problem with other people seeking guidance/help from it)I hold the view that even if there was a God I'm not wholly happy with the framework created that is religion. To go to heaven you must to x,y and z etc. If God did exist then how is 'this' groups interpretation of him more right than 'this' groups? Alternatively people choose to believe in God but not to subscribe to a religion then they are creating an image of God to suit them.A God who says you can smoke drink or whatever. This is I think one of the best examples of people inventing a God to comfort and protect them etc.
I also find that religion tend to create little or rather large groups of people which often leads to extremeism. Ive personally always found that the most objective view is atheism and so that's pretty much why I dont believe in God
your_daemon
2005-06-14, 15:15
quote:Originally posted by bombtrack:
people choose to believe in God but not to subscribe to a religion then they are creating an image of God to suit them.A God who says you can smoke drink or whatever. This is I think one of the best examples of people inventing a God to comfort and protect them etc.
I also find that religion tend to create little or rather large groups of people which often leads to extremeism. Ive personally always found that the most objective view is atheism and so that's pretty much why I dont believe in God
What is wrong with people creating a God to comfort or protect them. I dont see any problems with this if thats what they need then so be it. But dont think yourself so great that if you are an atheist believing in evolution that you are any better. Science is your God, science is what you use to comfort yourself or set up your boundaries.
bombtrack
2005-06-14, 19:26
There is absolutly no problem with people using it to draw comfort from. I also did not mean that atheism was superior in anyway i just said it was what I believe. At no point did I say atheism makes me better than all other points of views.
I'm only an agnostic because my argument over whether a "god" exists or not swings both ways. Sometimes it inspires towards atheism and the next day it's a Deist thought.
The way I look at the whole entire Universe is to recognize how amazing it is. Sounds rather cheesy but think- everything is broken down into particles that follow principals. Now beyond that there's the laws of science- what is the glue that causes these to exist and work? Why is there gravity? How come there's gases found in the deep region of space that very well could've triggered the Big Bang? It makes you think that science is much more practical than praising some almighty power.
But since the Universe is so amazing it makes me wonder what else but a "higher power" could possibly have its creation. The most hopeless part is really how little we know about our origins because that really could enlighten. Black holes, casanovas, galaxies, red dwarfs, planets, stars, gases, "anti-matter," vast existence, and all these items related to space are pretty hard to really understand.
Makes me wonder if there's a superior power that isn't some loving yet wrathful, perfect, ideal God sitting on some high throne. Nah, I'm more convinced that it's simply a binding law like how we look at gravity- it created and laid out the ground work, once the Big Bang had finally occured. Because its purpose had been used it ceased to be. At this point it's a fine line between an unconventional Deist or atheism theory.
I think my problem is acknowledging any current organized religious God. Traditions, rules, restrictions, ethnocentricism, and many others seem to be major flaws. But on the upside are the people who found comfort or a purpose of life. I have absolutely nothing against them.
Too much to fathom.
stringalong
2005-06-14, 23:09
All you need is love.
BrightestCrayon
2005-06-14, 23:31
quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:
I am God.
*bows* all hail the mighty god!!!
Damn, has this entire board become athiest or agnostic.
I personally dont believe in the science of the poeple from 2000 years ago. They couldn't explain something, and since everything happens because of something they had to make up a reason. And if they said God did it, then who could argue. That and all the loopholes and backward ass shit in the bible. Not to mention the science behind things, i just think its nature for a human mind to think that he or she is here for a reason.
quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:
Have you read the Bible? It's reason in and of itse;f to be an atheist.
^ That should be a famous quote.
stringalong
2005-06-15, 15:11
Here's an argument for the existence of God:
Start with the requirement that all relationships must preexist the discoverer, i.e. E=MC squared had to exist otherwise it could never be discovered (through hard work) by Einstein. Then question why it is that the human brain, with an arguably rational function, should continually focus on such an irrational concept as that of God. Next, consider the likelihood that a brain must be complex before being able to discern God, since humans seem to be the only creature challenged by the idea. We question what God looks like or how judgement is passed, when in fact those may simply be attributes ascribed by humans out of blind despair. It's important to keep putting up models that reveal God's existence, or not. Put the existence of God into an hypothetical context and we may see God as a probability.
Antiquarian
2005-06-16, 05:04
I don't think that a God exists for many reasons. A major one is that I've read some of the New Testament.
Antiquarian
2005-06-16, 05:14
quote:Originally posted by stringalong:
humans seem to be the only creature challenged by the idea.
From where did you deduce that? What the fuck?
NeoIceshroom
2005-06-16, 18:25
My theology is a complex web of ideas, but I'll simplify it as much as possible.
I only expect people who are completely brilliant to understand any of this. The rest of you will probably just think I am crazy or high or something, but if you knew anything about mathematical or theoretical physics you would realize how silly all your ideas really are. All of what I am telling you comes from books I have read and advanced classes I have taken in the field of physics and astronomy. There are mathematics that are extremely complicated and most of you couldn't fathom if you lived to be 1,000. Good luck understanding this one!
We begin with astro-physics, a hobby of mine.
Stephen hawking has shown us a few things, even the vaccum of space is not really empty, it seems that there are these little things called "virtual particles" that pop in and out of existance in the "false vaccum of space." With me so far? No? Didn't think so. Few people can actually understand the mathematics of how you can get something from nothing, and yes it is possible. Anyway...
Einsteins general realitivity shows us that gravity is is just a curvature of spacetime( The four dimensional fabric that fills our universe) rather than an actual force that reaches out and grabs things and Isac Newton suguested. Think of this curvature by matter as sort of a negative power pulling the entire universe back on itself. Remember those little virtual particles? As they appear and dis-appear it's not just one it's a particle and it's anti-particle that that immideately collide and destroy eachother releasing a miniscule ammount of energy that can effect the fabric of spacetime but not the matter or energy within it. Think of this as the positive power expanding a universe.
We're beginning to think based on the expansion rate of the universe that we live in what's called a "flat universe", that is where the two "powers" are eaqual. This universe may exist for an infinite ammount of time but requires only a tiny ammount of energy to start it's big bang or beginning. After that, the rest is just(or at least this is the highest probability) different re-arrangements of nothing. That's right! You don't actually exist! So, for all we know the entire universe could be just an idea by some super powerful being.
This is where my theology comes in. An "all-powerful being" is sort of an infinity, which cannot exist, a being which is infinately powerful is illogical in every sense of the word. Now, four beings with finite power makes a little more sense to me. That's why I am a pagan cleric, I have four dieties and am happy that way.
"Just pick your super stition sit back and enjoy yourself." -George Carlin
P.S: Try and find any loopholes in this theory and I will gladly make my best attempt to explain them.
[This message has been edited by NeoIceshroom (edited 06-16-2005).]
thatsMYdog
2005-06-16, 19:51
I'm a skeptic. I listen to science over bullshit most of the time. And the bible sounds like bullshit. Have you ever asked a hardcore religious person a tough question? That's enough to make anyone an atheist.
Not believing in God because you disagree with the bible to me is as absurd as believing in God because you agree with it...
voodoomagic
2005-06-16, 20:48
ever wondered why god doesnt just get an account here, and settle everything once and for all?
NeoIceshroom
2005-06-16, 23:08
Because he doesn't exist maybe?
Assuming the following three mathematical impossibilities are true then god could get an account here.
1. God is finte in power and therefore can exist in some form or another outside of our universe.
2. He has some means of breaking the normal laws of physics and contacting us between universes.
3. He has some kind of internet, hope the bastard doesn't have dial up! (that one was a semi-serious one)
I think if god did get an account here I would smoke his ass in a debate. It would be funny to prove to him that he doesn't exist, just like I've done here to all of you. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by NeoIceshroom (edited 06-16-2005).]
quote:Originally posted by voodoomagic:
ever wondered why god doesnt just get an account here, and settle everything once and for all?
That depends on how you see it...
Do you need the poster's name to be God or the meaning of the post?
quote:Originally posted by voodoomagic:
ever wondered why god doesnt just get an account here, and settle everything once and for all?
no. no, i haven't.