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Nephtys-Ra
2005-06-22, 06:52
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
Discuss.
quote:Originally posted by Nephtys-Ra:
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
Discuss.
Yeah I know. I live next to the Cave of Despair on the River of Eternal Re-castration.
Jesus2hot4U
2005-06-22, 07:39
hells alright. After I was cruzzzizled on the cross I spent like 3 days there. Drank martinis, kicked it by the fan and mostley bullshitted.
eyes sewn shut
2005-06-22, 07:46
god I hate christians now. attempting to feel secure with their own destiny by saying "anyone but me is going down, anyone who doesnt do as I do, lets cast the blame on everyone but ourselves"
join us or spend an eternity in ever lasting pain....god damn just fuck off with that crap, let people live their own lives.
if god was *JUST* as the bible says, how the hell could god possibly paying back one humans short walk on the mortal coil, indulging in sins of the flesh, with "FOREVER" in hell, burning sadomy filled nightmares with demons and ass's filled with red hot coals. ever heard of karma? a few sins of the flesh do not equal up to eternity in a blow torch,
fuck off with your fear us, join us, if you dont do as simon says your going to burn for it, you are wrong, now join us or be damned, BULLSHIT.
fuck the christian teachins, fuck you, fuck hell, and fuck that entire philosophy
if you think im angry read that whole article on hell, it completely sums up the christian faith, fire surounding you, christianity being the divine white hand extending from the heavens offering to pull you from the flames, and assuring you they are the only way. islam, buhdism, wiccan(heheh), they are all just hands extending from the fire beneath you trying to tug you down, join christianity or die....yeah...fuck that.
Nephtys-Ra
2005-06-22, 07:50
Bahahaaa...
I was just waiting for one of you resident sheep to take me seriously...
Oh God, you just made my day. Thank you.
Braunschweiger Vagina
2005-06-22, 07:58
Bullshit!
quote:Originally posted by Nephtys-Ra:
Bahahaaa...
I was just waiting for one of you resident sheep to take me seriously...
Oh God, you just made my day. Thank you.
You wrote that article?
Nephtys-Ra
2005-06-22, 08:48
If only I had that much time to waste...
But no. I'm laughing because some idiot thought I was a Christian who believed in that article, when my only comment was 'Discuss.'
soro_one
2005-06-22, 09:55
Don't get me started....
That stuff is total bullshit
i would know, i was force fed the bible in catholic school and have found enough reasons to become atheist
first of all, hell cannot be on earth or in the core or whatever because in the bible it says that God is supposedly around us on earth and it also says that hell is the absence of God. well hell cant be the core of earth if that is true.
second, why would you spend eternity in suffering if you maybe only lived seventy years?
then there's the whole thing with praying and masses and church on sundays. That whole thing is just the fear of God. In those rituals the priests talk about how good god is and how holy he is when you look at the bible it's full of murder, plagues, prejudice, opression, floods, incest, adultery, war, prostitution and a whole bunch of other things that were either started by God or his prophets who got off scott free
finally the prayer at the end of that page was incorrect according to the Bible, when Jesus was preaching he told his disciples to pray by refering to god as "Our Father" and not "Lord Jesus." So whoever wrote that page really doesnt accept jesus's ways
sorry for the rant but i get asked about this topic a lot
oceanangel
2005-06-22, 13:12
yeah ive read that one before, where his worm dieth not, right, i am not christian anymore,
but i found this ages ago and find it hilarious other people oppressed by religion may find it humorous too, if you know anything about the Bible,
sorry i have a bit of a warped sense of humour,
the Christians blame the Christians,lol. http://members.aye.net/~abrupt/house/godkill.html
[This message has been edited by oceanangel (edited 06-22-2005).]
z.neocide
2005-06-22, 16:32
Its simple we'll go to mars.
This seems more suited for the My god forum.
LostCause
2005-06-22, 19:57
Amusing propoganda.
Cheers,
Lost
MasterPython
2005-06-22, 20:15
Art Bell even says the sound is third hand. It is only interesting if you believe the story. The hole is a few miles deeper than the eorld record seep hole and depending on who tells it the drill either spun wildly at the bottom because the earth is hollow or was destroyed as the tape ends. Sometime they say a bat demon creature cam up through the holw even though that is imposible with curent drilling technology.
NightVision
2005-06-22, 21:54
lol. When are they going to figure out that fire/brimstone only worked in the 18-19th centuries.
Digital_Savior
2005-06-23, 02:30
The verses given on that site are all real.
The description of hell is accurate.
You can take that as "fire/brimstone" if you'd like, but it is real nonetheless.
The tactic of using the description of hell as a mechanism for scaring people into the faith is not Christian...it is man-made.
Christ's gospel is one of love, and we ought to be preaching about THAT, instead.
Hell is an inevitable destination for some, and there is nothing that can change this fact.
You can call the website "propoganda" if you want, but I find it effectual in teaching the ignorant of what is in store for them, rather than allowing them to continue on thinking hell is Tits, Ass, and Martini's for eternity.
http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)
I wish I had as much free time as that guy.
quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:
You're an idiot.
Furious G
2005-06-23, 23:01
neeeiiiigghgh!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
Paradise Lost
2005-06-23, 23:07
quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:
You're an idiot.
Intelligence is the end of humanity. Having the ability to think, solve, etc has led us to forming this bullshit. Christians believe that in all the trillions of billions of lightyears throughout the universe, they believe god created everything and the bible acts like our lives matter the most in the universe.
I went to catholic school for 9 years then got expelled. While there, i think most became atheist and even my teacher said that many things in the bible are symbolic, like the 40 years, 40 nights, mainly days and the number 40, and even stealing a candy bar will lead us to hell.
If hell actually did exist, one should assume the fire part of it is symbolic.
Stupid christians treat cursing as some horrible crime. There are better things to worry about than that. But intelligence leaves us to believe the simplest things in life will have an eternal consequence.
Most animals disagree...
http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/lions/alionk04-HuntingGnu.jpg
This is what has become of christians today...
http://www.weirdspot.com/images/uploads/eating.jpg
I also like how there were a ton of storytellers and authors hundreds/thousands of years ago, i am willing to bet money it was just a book in a library. (the bible)
The pokemon books are written as if pokemon exist, but that doesnt mean people 2000 years from now should go worship a bulbasaur or something.
Meh, add on to this to improve it.
mr.t1000
2005-06-23, 23:27
fuck religion.
seriously.
YouForgotPoland
2005-06-23, 23:27
I love how the site deems the sound clip of hell as authentic.
mr.t1000
2005-06-23, 23:33
sorry for posting again(i hit enter on accident while hilighting my p/w)
anyways. Religion is wrong. [fuck yourself "Digital savior". Wow what a gay name]
It is proven wrong with evelotion. and dont hit me with "but evolution evolvs DOWN" shit either.(it doesnt evolve anywhere. think of it as a bush)
Religion is a controll device. If i knew that i was going to go to hell if i didnt act good id probobly be an A+ student who sat around all the time asking mommy if she needed help. seriously
2 cents worth.
Fuck religion.
Silly_Stick
2005-06-24, 01:35
To quote Satre 'Hell is other people'
YouForgotPoland
2005-06-24, 02:47
quote:Originally posted by mr.t1000:
sorry for posting again(i hit enter on accident while hilighting my p/w)
anyways. Religion is wrong. [fuck yourself "Digital savior". Wow what a gay name]
It is proven wrong with evelotion. and dont hit me with "but evolution evolvs DOWN" shit either.(it doesnt evolve anywhere. think of it as a bush)
Religion is a controll device. If i knew that i was going to go to hell if i didnt act good id probobly be an A+ student who sat around all the time asking mommy if she needed help. seriously
2 cents worth.
Fuck religion.
hehe.
"evelotion".
http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
Sephiroth
2005-06-24, 04:21
That article from a "respected Finnish newspaper" is the real kicker for that page. I mean, yes, the Christian scriptural stuff is all real and the argument is exactly what their doctrine dictates it should be, but Christians shoot themselves in the foot when they use crap like that...
quote:Truth or Fiction (http://tinyurl.com/7ypxu):
I first heard about this story from people who started calling my radio program to ask about it in the early 1990s. There was such a flurry of calls that I finally promised the listeners I'd look into it. Most of the callers said they'd heard the story on Trinity Broadcasting Network, a Christian television network that originates from Southern California.
I called Trinity Broadcasting headquarters and asked about the story. I was transferred to a woman who said, 'Oh yes, it's true all right. We've got documentation. It's in our latest newsletter.'
I was on the network's mailing list, so I looked through a pile of recent mail and found the article. The newsletter said the details had come from the translation of an article in a Finnish newspaper named 'Ammennusatia'. It claimed:
A geological group who drilled a hole about 14.4 kilometers deep in the crust of the earth are saying that they heard human screams. Screams have been heard from the condemned souls from earth's deepest hole. Terrified scientists are afraid they have let loose the evil powers of hell up to the earth's surface.
'The information we are gathering is so surprising, that we are sincerely afraid of what we might find down there,' stated Dr Azzacov, the manager of the project in remote Siberia.
According to the story, the geologists were dumbfounded. After they had drilled several kilometers through the earth's crust, the drill bit suddenly began to rotate wildly. 'There is only one explanation,' said Dr Azzacov. 'The deep center of the earth is hollow!' The report continued:
The second surprise was the high temperature they discovered in the earth's center. 'The calculations indicate the given temperature was about 1,100 degrees Celsius, or over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit,' Azzacov pointed out. 'This is far more then we expected. It seems almost like an inferno of fire is brutally going on in the center of the earth.'
'The last discovery was nevertheless the most shocking to our ears, so much so that the scientists are afraid to continue the project. We tried to listen to the earth's movements at certain intervals with supersensitive microphones, which were let down through the hole. What we heard turned those logically thinking scientists into a trembling ruins. It was a sometimes a weak, but high pitched sound which we thought to be coming from our own equipment,' explained Dr Azzacov.
'But after some adjustments we comprehended that indeed the sound came from the earth's interior. We could hardly believe our own ears. We heard a human voice, screaming in pain. Even though one voice was discernible, we could hear thousands, perhaps millions, in the background, of suffering souls screaming. After this ghastly discovery, about half of the scientists quit because of fear. Hopefully, that which is down there will stay there,' Dr Azzacov added.
According to the Trinity Broadcasting Network newsletter, the Finnish article had been given to them by a Texas evangelist, R.W. Schambach, who was a frequent guest on their network.
We checked with Schambach's office and were assured that the story was 'absolutely true' and had been substantiated. They said they had an article from a 'respected scientific journal' in Finland, as well as a letter from a Norwegian man, Age Rendalen, who had confirmed it. Rendalen had sent his letter directly to Trinity Broadcasting Network and the details he revealed added a new dimension to the story.
Rendalen told the network that he had visited United States a few weeks earlier and happened upon their telecast about the Drilling to Hell story. He wrote:
I must confess that I laughed when I heard your account... I did not believe one word of it, and commented to my friend that Americans sure were gullible to believe that hell could be physically located to a hole in the ground. I cannot even begin to tell you what a shock it was to me when I returned to Norway and found the newspapers full of reports about this incident. I knew immediately that if there was a hell, I for sure would end up in it. A tremendous fear took hold of me, and for two nights I dreamed about fire and screams until I surrendered to God and committed my life to his hands for safe-keeping.
In the letter, Rendalen went on to encourage the network not to let 'skeptics' interfere with their telling of the story. He included a copy and translation of what he claimed was an article from Norway's largest and most reputable newspaper, with more information about the drilling.
Rendalen's translation of the article told of opposition to the drilling by Russian atheists, as well as government intimidation to keep the scientists from telling the rest of the world about their discovery. The account, which drew on the eyewitness testimony of a Mr Nummedal, also added a new detail:
What really unnerved the Soviets, apart from the voice recordings, was the appearance that same night of a fountainhead of luminous gas shooting up from the drill site, and out of the midst of this incandescent cloud pillar a brilliant being with bat wings revealed itself with the words (in Russian): 'I have conquered,' emblazoned against the dark Siberian sky.
'The incident was absolutely unreal; the Soviets cried out in terror,' says Mr Nummedal. Later that night, he saw ambulance crews circulating in the community. A driver he knew told him that they had been told to sedate everybody with a medication known to erase short term memory. The Soviets use this drug in the treatment of shock victims.
So we now had not only a story about drilling into hell, but an additional version with a bat-like creature making an appearance.
My staff and I decided to roll up our shirt sleeves and trace the story as far as we could, especially since we had the names of newspapers and at least one individual who might know the facts.
The Finnish newspaper 'Ammennusastia,' which is quoted in nearly every account of the story, is located in an area called Levasjoki. We had a phone conversation with a staff member who told us the publication is not a 'respected newspaper' or a 'scientific journal', as we had been told, but a monthly publication of a group of Finnish Christians. The Drilling to Hell story, he said, had been based on the word of mouth recollection of another staff member, who had remembered reading it as a 'major article' in a Finnish daily newspaper called 'Etela Soumen'.
We contacted this newspaper and at first they couldn't recall or find the story. However, we later received a call saying they had discovered that the tale had appeared in their paper. It was not in an article, however, but in a feature section that included letters from readers who could write about almost anything they wished.
Through the newspaper, we tracked down the person who wrote the letter with the Drilling to Hell story. He was a kind, elderly man who, in spite of being reluctant to talk with us initially, told us through an interpreter that he couldn't vouch for the credibility of the story. He got it, he said, from a Christian newsletter called 'Vaeltajat', which was published by a group of Finnish missionaries.
We next contacted 'Vaeltajat'. The editor said the story had been printed in their July 1989 issue. Where did he hear about it? He had received it from one of their readers, who claimed it had appeared in a newsletter called 'Jewels of Jericho', published by a group of Jewish Christians in California. And that is where the Finnish trail came to an end.
One thing was clear at this point: The Drilling to Hell story was looking and smelling like a pretty typical urban legend. It was sensational, impossible to document, and only had life because of all the small publications that were quoting one another's unsubstantiated stories.
However, there was still the Norwegian man, Age Rendalen, who had told the story of the ominous, bat-like creature emerging from the drill-hole. The article in the Trinity Broadcasting Network newsletter said he lived near Oslo, so we called directory assistance and found him in about 45 seconds. I talked with him on the phone myself:
'Are you the one who sent information to a Christian television network in the United States about scientists drilling into hell?' I asked.
'Yes,' he said without hesitation.
'Well,' I continued, 'Do you have any way of knowing whether it is true?'
'Yes I do,' he replied.
'Tell me about it,' I asked.
'None of it is true,' he said. 'I fabricated every word of it!'
Rendalen went on to explain that he had visited the US a few weeks earlier and had seen the host of a Christian television program enthusiastically relating the Drilling to Hell story. He told me: 'I couldn't believe that the hosts really thought the story was true and that they would broadcast it without apparently having checked it out.'
When he returned to Norway, Rendalen sat down and fabricated the graphic story of the bat-like creature and sent his letter to the television network. His prediction was that they would use the story without investigating it. To make an investigation easy for them, he included his name, address and telephone number on his letter. He also included what he claimed was an article on the story from 'Norway's largest and most reputable newspaper'. In fact, the article, which he falsely translated, was a piece in his local community paper about a building inspector.
Rendalen also included the name and telephone number of a pastor friend based in Southern California. This pastor knew about the hoax and was prepared to reveal the truth if someone called to research it further with him.
However, as predicted, Trinity Broadcasting Network ran the story without contacting Renalden or the Californian pastor, and it appeared on television, radio and in a large number of publications. None of those who used the story attempted to research it before going public.
'2000 PEOPLE HAVE FOUND CHRIST!'
On 6th February 1990, a listener of mine sent me a letter. She had videotaped and documented all three occasions when this story was discussed on the Christian TV show put out by the network. On 29th January 1990, the show host is documented as saying:
Let me just say, all of you that have written me all those nasty letters about the 'hole in hell', let me tell you I finally got the newspaper article which is from 'The World Weekly'. This is an international newspaper that has been translated into English from Finnish. 'Scientists fear they've opened gates of hell! Geologists drilling nine-mile hole hear human shrieks.'
I got a letter today from a geologist in Oklahoma and he's really giving me a rough time. He says that there isn't anything that could drill that deep. Folks, I'm just reporting what people have been sending to me and I don't know if this is true or not. I know one thing, if this is a trick of the Devil, he sure has blown it, because I know of about 2,000 people that have found Christ because of it!
True or false, I'll tell you what I'm doing, though. We're now going to do some investigative reporting of our own and we're going to check with the Finnish government and the Department of the Interior and we're really going to follow this up and see if they really did drill a hole nine miles down there, if they really did have a microphone down there, if they really did hear human shrieks of agony and pain as this newspaper article and as did many letters I have received from over there have indicated to us. If I'm wrong and they're right, I've got nothing to lose. But if I'm right and you're wrong, you've got everything to lose.
Unfortunately, the investigation by the show took place too late to prevent the damage of a widely spread rumor in the Christian community.
Rendalen has now issued an official statement about his actions and the whole incident, which says: 'The story is nothing more than a Christian "urban legend" without basis in reality.'
There are a couple of postscripts to this incident. One is that the respected magazine, 'Biblical Archaeology Review', printed a story about the Drilling to Hell story, thinking it was so outrageous that readers would get a kick out of it. Many of the readers took the article seriously, however, and either started passing it around as substantiation of the story, or wrote to the magazine to complain that it shouldn't have given it respectability.
Secondly, in August of 1990, I was contacted by the pastor of a small church in Flagstaff, Arizona, who informed me that he had proof that this story was true. Apparently, a man from his church, who was believed to be a PhD in Physics from MIT, came forward in private to claim that he was a scientist who had been on a secret mission in Russia for the past year and had met with Mikhail Gorbachev several times. He verified that the Drilling to Hell story was indeed true. He claimed:
A hole was drilled deep into the crust of the earth in Siberia and a large cavity was found. Unfortunately, news of this was leaked to the press and was distorted. It is true that a recording was made of the sounds from deep in the hole, but the intense heat destroyed the microphone in spite of special cooling material around it, so that only seventeen seconds of sounds could be captured. At the present time, scientists are drilling a second hole to confirm what was found the first time. And a better system is being developed for cooling the microphone.
The scientist went on to claim that he was helping to design this microphone and was returning to Siberia shortly to further document the phenomenon. He planned to return in about a year with more confirming information on this amazing phenomenon.
Six months later, I got a letter from another member of the church saying that this man had turned out to be neither a graduate of MIT nor a scientist. In fact, he had skipped town with over $20,000 collected from church members who wanted to help finance his expedition.
How did this story originate? Again, we will never really know. It is possible that somewhere in the world there has been a spooky experience during deep drilling operations. I don't know. According to an August 1989 article in 'Science' magazine, there is a Russian deep hole drilling project in Kola, near Murmansk, about 150 miles north of the Arctic Circle. Another German deep drilling experiment in north-east Bavaria has discovered warmer temperatures than were expected at certain drilling levels, although nothing even close to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Characteristic of many urban legends, this story was alleged to have occurred in an obscure part of the world where it would be virtually impossible to track down the facts. And once the story got started, people began quoting one another's newsletters to validate their own. This is the stuff of which tabloid newspapers are made.
Sephiroth
2005-06-24, 04:33
On a side note, using personal experience, state-of-the-art technology and the most scientific methods at my disposal, I can pinpoint the actual location of Hell with the utmost specificity. The coordinates are: Latitude 40.73 & Longitude -74.08.
Your salvation hangs in the balance!
Rigzu v'al techeto-u
imru vilvavchem al mishkavchem
v'dómu. Selo!
Sephiroth, you're so full of shit. You're not Jewish. You just wish you were. Jews don't do drugs and don't fuck and they don't do the shit you do. Well, you don't fuck either but that's cause you're really fat.
Seriously, stop acting up and show you true fucking face. You know who's a Jew? That other friend of Zok, that idiot kid. What's his name again? That falcon guy who was moderator of IFIOTW. He's a Jew. But he's also a boring fuck and no one wants to play with him. Not even on the fucking Internet.
By the way, if that guy is reading this, no hard feelings. Don't take it personally.
How can you be in enternal Hell if the earth is inevitably going to end. There is scientific proof that proves that earth wont be around forever. So how can u spend and eternity there.
And I am not to sure but if the earth last long enough, wont the center go cold anyways?
PossesedSmurf
2005-06-24, 21:03
Most of the evidence is taking out of teh bible, i dnot beleive in hell nor the bible, so no i think its bull shit.
Digital_Savior
2005-06-25, 03:49
quote:Originally posted by mr.t1000:
sorry for posting again(i hit enter on accident while hilighting my p/w)
anyways. Religion is wrong. [fuck yourself "Digital savior". Wow what a gay name]
It is proven wrong with evelotion. and dont hit me with "but evolution evolvs DOWN" shit either.(it doesnt evolve anywhere. think of it as a bush)
Religion is a controll device. If i knew that i was going to go to hell if i didnt act good id probobly be an A+ student who sat around all the time asking mommy if she needed help. seriously
2 cents worth.
Fuck religion.
Go fuck myself ?
Now, is that any way to talk to a lady ? *shakes head* Shame on you...
Can you please try and decipher what my name means ?
I guarantee you can't, which is why it is "gay" to you...funny how it is the way that YOU think that makes it gay, not it's actual intended meaning.
Digital_Savior
2005-06-25, 03:56
quote:Originally posted by UN!F13D:
How can you be in enternal Hell if the earth is inevitably going to end. There is scientific proof that proves that earth wont be around forever. So how can u spend and eternity there.
And I am not to sure but if the earth last long enough, wont the center go cold anyways?
Hell is not located on earth. It's in a different plane of existence.
prozak_jack
2005-06-25, 04:18
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:
Hell is not located on earth. It's in a different plane of existence.
Well, this website is suggesting it's inside earth.
playboy311
2005-06-25, 10:46
How they claim hell is in the center of the earth, I believe myself is total bulshit. And let's say hell does thrive in the center of the earth its just sorta like a mythilogical type of thing, I don't believe if we traveled there and there is the devil himself sittin in flames. I just think the center of the earth is used as an example, hell is going to be in a deep dark but firey place, such as the center of the earth.
Digital_Savior
2005-06-25, 11:19
quote:Originally posted by prozak_jack:
Well, this website is suggesting it's inside earth.
But where is the evidence supporting that ?
I am not saying the SITE was right.
I was saying that the scriptures it was giving to describe Hell were correct.
What they extrapolate from it is something entirely different.
Lou Reed
2005-06-25, 11:22
Why would god create a soul only to torment it forever? And dont say it is the devils fault...
... the bible says god is omnicent and loves us. If god knew all at the beginning of all he would have known hell would come to pass and have prevented it.
Therefor hell(in the mind someone who believes that they are doomed or actually on a spiritual level in hell), is a very serious psychological problem.
This is also considering that the bible is the whole truth.
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:
But where is the evidence supporting that ?
I am not saying the SITE was right.
I was saying that the scriptures it was giving to describe Hell were correct.
What they extrapolate from it is something entirely different.
All what i was doing was trying to prove that site wrong.
niggersexual
2005-06-26, 03:09
quote:Originally posted by eyes sewn shut:
if god was *JUST* as the bible says, how the hell could god possibly paying back one humans short walk on the mortal coil, indulging in sins of the flesh, with "FOREVER" in hell, burning sadomy filled nightmares with demons and ass's filled with red hot coals.
You are spelled sodomy wrong!!!!!
Sir smokes alot
2005-06-26, 04:38
All that page is, is just some Bible thumping redneck Christian straight out of the movie "Deliverance" trying to convince you that if you dont live youre life the way that he does, you'll burn in a hell, that his half-assed
webpage couldent even prove.
First of all- hell cant be on earth because the earth must end and the bible also says that hell can never run out of room, and even the center of the earth must run out of room sometime.
second of all- Are you going to believe a webpage that that uses TYPING LIKE THIS to get youre attention and try to scare you? I mean come on WTF!!!!
feeble89
2005-06-26, 06:00
How tha fuck do u people have time to read all that shit, even tho hells pretty cool, since ive been living in it for a while now...
Digital_Savior
2005-06-26, 06:05
quote:Originally posted by Lou Reed:
Why would god create a soul only to torment it forever? And dont say it is the devils fault...
... the bible says god is omnicent and loves us. If god knew all at the beginning of all he would have known hell would come to pass and have prevented it.
Therefor hell(in the mind someone who believes that they are doomed or actually on a spiritual level in hell), is a very serious psychological problem.
This is also considering that the bible is the whole truth.
It all comes down to the exact requirements for Him to have a fulfilling, loving relationship with us.
Since He knows all, I would venture to say that He knew exactly what it would take to achieve that.
He didn't create to SEND us to Hell, but rather to save us from it. If we are to be saved from something, it must exist.
feeble89
2005-06-26, 06:27
"It all comes down to the exact requirements for Him to have a fulfilling, loving relationship with us.
Since He knows all, I would venture to say that He knew exactly what it would take to achieve that.
He didn't create to SEND us to Hell, but rather to save us from it. If we are to be saved from something, it must exist."
Trust me man we are all going to hell...
feeble89
2005-06-26, 06:28
It all comes down to the exact requirements for Him to have a fulfilling, loving relationship with us.
Since He knows all, I would venture to say that He knew exactly what it would take to achieve that.
He didn't create to SEND us to Hell, but rather to save us from it. If we are to be saved from something, it must exist.
Trust me man we are all going to hell...
anton_skater
2005-06-26, 08:04
Well as a christian, I am going to have to say that everybody right now is wrong on their rendition of hell. Before the rapture the bible describes hell as a place where you are just utterly alone, nothing is around you, and all you do is sit and think about all of the terrible sins that you have done. Now this might not seem bad, but I assure, being utterly alone away from God, is something nobody on this earth has felt, you suffer just as much if not more here, than in the sulfuric lake of fire. Now after the rapture there will be the great throne of Judgement, where everybody will stand at the foot of God, both christians and non-christians, and once again everybody will shudder and realise how worthless they are compared to the might of God. Then Satan, the Anti-Christ, and all of the non-christ followers are to be thrown into the lake of fire. Which is where they will reside for all eternity. So right now, there is no firey hell.
NightVision
2005-06-26, 08:22
Methinks hell in the xian sense does not exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_%28goddess%29 Who knows, if you are not allowed into heaven and become a ghost/shade.
Stiffmajj The Giant
2005-06-26, 18:14
hehe I was listening to highway to hell by AC/DC when I read this.
My question to christians has been asked and they always dodge answering it.
If God is omniscent,potent, and omnieverythingelse. Then he would know for sure whether we were going to hell or heaven so why create us if he knows we are going to hell? And how does he have to do this to be able to exist? Plus if hell has to exist to be able to save us from something then why not stop hell existing so we wou;dn't have to be saved?
Stiffmajj The Giant
2005-06-26, 18:17
hehe I was listening to highway to hell by AC/DC when I read this.
My question to christians has been asked and they always dodge answering it.
If God is omniscent,potent, and omnieverythingelse. Then he would know for sure whether we were going to hell or heaven so why create us if he knows we are going to hell? And how does he have to do this to be able to exist? Plus if hell has to exist to be able to save us from something then why not stop hell existing so we wouldn't have to be saved?
xtreem5150ahm
2005-06-26, 18:34
quote:Originally posted by Stiffmajj The Giant:
hehe I was listening to highway to hell by AC/DC when I read this.
My question to christians has been asked and they always dodge answering it.
If God is omniscent,potent, and omnieverythingelse. Then he would know for sure whether we were going to hell or heaven so why create us if he knows we are going to hell? And how does he have to do this to be able to exist? Plus if hell has to exist to be able to save us from something then why not stop hell existing so we wouldn't have to be saved?
Freewill, for our benifit of choosing to love God. I realize this begs the question, and doesnt really answer yours either.
Have you been in this forum much? A good number of the threads contain arguements for and against freewill, so just hang out in here for awhile, and i'm sure it'll be addressed again... either that, read a few of the past threads.
Lou Reed
2005-06-26, 19:07
quote:Originally posted by Stiffmajj The Giant:
hehe I was listening to highway to hell by AC/DC when I read this.
My question to christians has been asked and they always dodge answering it.
If God is omniscent,potent, and omnieverythingelse. Then he would know for sure whether we were going to hell or heaven so why create us if he knows we are going to hell? And how does he have to do this to be able to exist? Plus if hell has to exist to be able to save us from something then why not stop hell existing so we wou;dn't have to be saved?
Good stuff!
midgetbasketball
2005-06-27, 05:57
The pressure in the core of the earth is so intense that no cavities can scientifically exist.
Cop that.
But it is a very interesting subject.
quote:Originally posted by Nephtys-Ra:
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
Discuss.
man nephtys, even for you this is stupid.
quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:
You're an idiot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Methusar/idiot.jpg