View Full Version : The idea of a triune god coupled with salvation...
Elephantitis Man
2006-05-21, 20:57
Is complete, nonsensical bullshit. Jesus, if he even existed, couldn't have "sacrificed himself" to god and be a part of god at the same time.
Think of god the father, sitting in heaven, and he says to himself "I am going to sacrifice myself to myself to pay a penalty I demand for breaking a law that I established myself."
What does that accomplish?! Nothing! The whole idea that Jesus was actually a part of god defeats the idea that Jesus could be sacrificed to god (which is what he was, a human sacrifice. Why else would he be paralleled to 'the unblemished lamb' whose blood 'washes away our transgressions').
Meaning either the trinity is true, and the Christian god is a masochistic nutjob; or Jesus wasn't a part of god, but more like a god-man/demigod.
[This message has been edited by Elephantitis Man (edited 05-21-2006).]
It's to show US something & give us something to relate to.
Viraljimmy
2006-05-21, 23:56
quote:Originally posted by Aseren:
It's to show US something & give us something to relate to.
You pulled that right out of your ass, didn't you?
HOLD THE BOAT: A MESSAGE FROM GAWD: AND FRIENDS:
Yo, hold the boat, it saileth too far from the shore of the lamb, which is green, so boye, hold the boat! Lemme explain something to ya, for your own understanding, I am GAWD. I am capable of ALL Things, if I wanted to, I coulda just Zapped your bum bum (I don't like using swears ok?) and everyone would've been like "Does Anyone Names Elphantits exist?" and the answer would come "not that I know of" even though you posted tons. I work in the realm of QUANTUM PSISIKZ, I can make things happen and you don't even know they happened, thats how Good I am. Jesus was by B U Double D to the Y in the SKY, not only that, he was my SON, my SON, Come on you know what that means! Anyway, I decided to send my S O N to the U R D to forgive all S I N. Now keep in mind, I couldve done this with my Qantom powrs, and been like FADDABANG, SIN BE GONE, BUT I MADE SIN, SO WTF WOULD BE THE POINT OF THAT? Anyway, so lemme explain what a Son is, A Son, like how you're a bit of your daddy, A Son is a Part of me, Like Eve from the Rib of Adam...Ok I know thats a little gross, but I make no apologies. ANYWAY BEWM FADDABANG, A BABY IS BORN, HE IS MY SON AND A PART OF ME, HE WALKS THE EARTH, PREACHES THE GOOD, AND ONE DAY BEWM FADDABANG! Oh Also before all that Bewm Faddabang Casper, The Holy Ghost, asked me if he could go along too so I said something like I said "BEWM FADDABANG, YOU'RE A PART OF ME TO, SO GTFO AND GO HELP JESUS!" " So he was killed, but on his death cross he forgave all, and I was like WOW, WHAT A NICE THING TO DO, SO I FORGAVE ALL, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT HE FORGAVE THEM, IF THEY DONT THEN THEY WILL BURN IN THE FIRE!
So thats the story, I hope it shinede sum lite on yor eye holez and made you comprhendn the trute.
Lemme Recap in Short form, Jesus, Casper, both are a part of Me, made of me, by me, so they practically ARE ME, DUH!
Jesus Forgave yall, which was nice, so I'll grant him dat wish if you believe he said that!
What ever Happened to Casper? HE'S STILL ON EARTH, BEWM FADDABANG!
(I apologize)
quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:
You pulled that right out of your ass, didn't you?
1 word for you: research.
BlessedDisease
2006-05-22, 00:34
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
HOLD THE BOAT: A MESSAGE FROM GAWD: AND FRIENDS:
Yo, hold the boat, it saileth too far from the shore of the lamb, which is green, so boye, hold the boat! Lemme explain something to ya, for your own understanding, I am GAWD. I am capable of ALL Things, if I wanted to, I coulda just Zapped your bum bum (I don't like using swears ok?) and everyone would've been like "Does Anyone Names Elphantits exist?" and the answer would come "not that I know of" even though you posted tons. I work in the realm of QUANTUM PSISIKZ, I can make things happen and you don't even know they happened, thats how Good I am. Jesus was by B U Double D to the Y in the SKY, not only that, he was my SON, my SON, Come on you know what that means! Anyway, I decided to send my S O N to the U R D to forgive all S I N. Now keep in mind, I couldve done this with my Qantom powrs, and been like FADDABANG, SIN BE GONE, BUT I MADE SIN, SO WTF WOULD BE THE POINT OF THAT? Anyway, so lemme explain what a Son is, A Son, like how you're a bit of your daddy, A Son is a Part of me, Like Eve from the Rib of Adam...Ok I know thats a little gross, but I make no apologies. ANYWAY BEWM FADDABANG, A BABY IS BORN, HE IS MY SON AND A PART OF ME, HE WALKS THE EARTH, PREACHES THE GOOD, AND ONE DAY BEWM FADDABANG! Oh Also before all that Bewm Faddabang Casper, The Holy Ghost, asked me if he could go along too so I said something like I said "BEWM FADDABANG, YOU'RE A PART OF ME TO, SO GTFO AND GO HELP JESUS!" " So he was killed, but on his death cross he forgave all, and I was like WOW, WHAT A NICE THING TO DO, SO I FORGAVE ALL, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT HE FORGAVE THEM, IF THEY DONT THEN THEY WILL BURN IN THE FIRE!
So thats the story, I hope it shinede sum lite on yor eye holez and made you comprhendn the trute.
Lemme Recap in Short form, Jesus, Casper, both are a part of Me, made of me, by me, so they practically ARE ME, DUH!
Jesus Forgave yall, which was nice, so I'll grant him dat wish if you believe he said that!
What ever Happened to Casper? HE'S STILL ON EARTH, BEWM FADDABANG!
(I apologize)
Wonderful!!! This, kiddies, explains it all.
truckfixr
2006-05-22, 00:35
^ Wow! That was a waste of bandwidth.
Edit: This post in reference to Abrahim's post.
[This message has been edited by truckfixr (edited 05-22-2006).]
Now for a proper Christian Explanation:
The Trinity Doctrine was decided at the Council of Nicea, before then, some branches of Christianity didn't accept Jesus as the son of God or as God, some did. The decision was made after a long session of different branches arguing their points, to unite all the branches under one banner, The Trinity. The Trinity would include the concept that Jesus is the son of God, and that the Holy Spirit is also God, all ruled by the Father, 3 incarnations, or metaphors, to represent aspects of God. The Trinity would include in its very structure, the crucifix which Jesus died on to forgive the sins of man, which fit into the Jewish tradition and custom of the "scape-goat" which was when a leader or rabbi would take an animal, a goat or lamb up to the alter and sacrifice it to God to forgive the sins of the entire village.
The New Testament are related stories about the life and acts of Jesus the Savior. Prior to Jesus's Sacrifice as a "Lamb of God" to perform the ritual of scape-goat, many Jews in the period believed in an underworld in which their spirit goes when they die. This idea was adopted during the Hellenistic exchange of thought where much of the changes in Judaism and Jewish philosophy took place. In some Apocryphal texts it is written how Jesus, after dying, went into the underworld and opened up its gates and freed all the dead, and the prophets who were there, now they could come freely to "The Kingdom of Heaven", a better place than the land of the dead, which resembled the Greek concept of Hades.
Prior to this concept, it was commonly believed and understood that all who died, would remain dead, until ressurected and be judged.
Most members of Judaism do not seem to accept the belief in ressurection anymore, but some still might.
Quote Provided by CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA:
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(1) Old Testament
The Book of Daniel (xii, 2; cf. 12) inculcates the same belief: "Many of those that sleep in the dust of the earth, shall awake: some unto life everlasting, and others unto reproach, to see it always." The word many must be understood in the light of its meaning in other passages, e. g. Is., liii, 11-12; Matt., xxvi, 28; Rom., v, I8-19. Though Ezechiel's vision of the resurrection of the dry bones refers directly to the restoration of Israel, such a figure would be hardly Israel, such a figure would be hardly intelligible except by readers familiar with the belief in a literal resurrection (Ezekiel 37). The Prophet Isaias foretells that the Lord of hosts "shall cast down death headlong forever" (xxv, 8), and a little later he adds: "Thy dead men shall live, my slain shall rise again. . . the earth shall disclose her blood, and shall cover her slain no more" (xxvi, 19-21). Finally, Job, bereft of all human comfort and reduced to the greatest desolation, is strengthened by the thought of the resurrection of his body: "I know that my Redeemer liveth, and in the last day I shall rise out of the earth. And I shall be clothed again with my skin, and in my flesh I shall see God. Whom I myself shall see, and my eyes shall behold, and not another; this hope is laid up in my bosom" (Job 19:25-27). The literal translation of the Hebrew text differs somewhat from the foregoing quotation, but the hope of resurrection remains."
A Christian has a few options, to take the events in the New Testament as a metaphor, or as a reality. A Christian can say that Jesus is the "Metaphorical" Begotten Son of God, as he was among the most righteous humans on Earth. A Christian could say that Son is a term that refers to Servanthood and Dedication, such as when Jesus is called the "Son of Man" it could be translated "Servant of Man" just as easily and still make sense. A Christian could take it literally, that Jesus's last prayer and his sacrifice acted to clear all past sins, change the system of spirits in the underworld, and usher in the coming of the Kingdom of God.
The Kingdom of God is originally a Jewish concept for God's reign of sovereignity and power on Earth, it often went hand in hand with the early ressurection concept, that all will be raised up, the Good will live in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, the evil shall be judged and condemned and will recieve punishment.
In Modern Christianity this concept has been mildly eliminated, in popular Christian culture it is accepted that when a person dies, his soul either goes to heaven and hell, it excludes the period of "resting in peace" and "rising up" to face judgement, even though the concept of ressurection and judgement also appears in the New Testament. Some Christians, including Christians during the time of St.Augistine, believed that the ressurection was a metaphor, "ressurected from sin unto grace by the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior, Jesus".
Viraljimmy
2006-05-23, 01:31
quote:Originally posted by Aseren:
1 word for you: research.
My bad. I missed the part where jesus said, "Hey, I'm just here to give you guys something to think about. Now... we dance!"