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Madeyalook
2006-06-16, 21:53
Some people say He's male, others say it can't be determined, and there's even some feminazis that say God is female. I just want to share what I think and see what other people think for this, I don't want to start a flame war "I'm right and you're wrong" sort of thing.
I know we refer to God as a male, but that's because that's just the default in the English language and most other languages. However, wouldn't saying that God has a gender be demeaning by comparing Him to a human? He's an ultimate being, not a person.
I know I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to religion, and I may be way off with this, which is why I posted.
*puts on flame-retardant vest*
jsaxton14
2006-06-16, 22:21
Well, given the fact that the Christian God impregnated Mary, it is logical to assume God is male (if you're a christian).
Anti Christ Super Star
2006-06-16, 22:24
Considering God made man in his image:
whatever gender i am, God is, becuase he made me...1!!!?1?1>!>!>!>!?!?1
Crestfallen106
2006-06-17, 03:00
how do you know god not a hermaphidite
quote:Originally posted by Madeyalook:
Some people say He's male, others say it can't be determined, and there's even some feminazis that say God is female. I just want to share what I think and see what other people think for this, I don't want to start a flame war "I'm right and you're wrong" sort of thing.
I know we refer to God as a male, but that's because that's just the default in the English language and most other languages. However, wouldn't saying that God has a gender be demeaning by comparing Him to a human? He's an ultimate being, not a person.
I know I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to religion, and I may be way off with this, which is why I posted.
*puts on flame-retardant vest*
You said "However, wouldn't saying that God has a gender be demeaning by comparing Him to a human? He's an ultimate being, not a person." and you're right.
I'm right, and you're right. God is not a man or a woman or a thing created, not a cell, not a spirit, not an orb, not a form, not an image...God is what you and I both exist within, are made of entirely, and are completely dependant on.
God is what all this is manifested by and within. God is in other words Reality. If you want to go further we can say that this Reality and all possible alternative realities, all options, subjective and objective, past present and future, all universes, worlds, dimensions and alternatives are within Ultimate Reality which is the Only God there will ever be as it is essentially all there is and ever was and ever will be.
Everything that can possibly happen, everything anyone can possibly think, every possibility executed and non executed, known or unknown is within the realm of Reality.
People expect a being while it is ever present and they continue to look beyond it. They want a father in the sky or a mother in the earth. God is far beyond what they expect or conceive. Some say God is a being with a "Begotten Son" and others say we are all "children" of God when in fact we are all part and within the same thing, as much as a tree or a molecule of air.
They are surrounded and dependant and they argue and bicker about what is right infront of them, behind them, inside them, outside them. Without realizing even their argument, their words, their motions, their thoughts, the world, the universe and all that is within it is dependant completely on Reality, that Reality is the God they argue about, and there is no other God.
They say "Reality is not living", whilst they themselves, and the constant motion in all things is proof of its "life". If it were dead, it would not exist, nor would a single thing exist, there would only be nothing, inactive, pure.
They say there is no proof, without realizing that everything they see and think and do is the proof, but they ignore, in search of something unreal.
They say "There is no God because the world is cruel." Yet they can't deny Reality. The "good" and the "bad" are all within it. They should appreciate what senses they have to percieve it.
They say nothing was "created" do they not see all things manifest?
They say "We made this" yet they can "make" nothing, they can only use what is available and possible.
They say we will believe in God if we See God. Can they not see it now?
They say we will believe in God if we Hear God. Can they not hear it inside and out?
They say we will believe in God is we Understand God. Do they not have a mind?
They say "God doesn't care" and even so they have everything they can handle.
They deem themselves independant, self sufficient while they are completely dependant every moment, waking and sleeping.
They hope to argue God with their own inventions, creating images to destroy.
They will only find Peace in Surrender.
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Thats a load of rubbish.
How can reality be God?
God created the universe if he exists.
Therefore he created reality.
To claim he is reality destroys the concept of God because then the question is who created God (reality).
One of the main reasons people believe in God is because there is no sound explanation to the universe. Claiming God is the universe solves no problems at all.
By the way OP I reckon you are correct. It is wrong to apply human concepts such as that to God. If God is the ultimate being to say he is just male or just female limits his scope. If he is male he is less than female and vice versa.
purplemonkeydishwasher
2006-06-17, 13:00
but wait somewere in the bible jesus was praying in a church and they asked him were he was and he said i am in my "fathers" home.
hmmmmn every one here who has a female father raise thier hand
quote:Originally posted by Aeroue:
Thats a load of rubbish.
How can reality be God?
God created the universe if he exists.
Therefore he created reality.
To claim he is reality destroys the concept of God because then the question is who created God (reality).
One of the main reasons people believe in God is because there is no sound explanation to the universe. Claiming God is the universe solves no problems at all.
By the way OP I reckon you are correct. It is wrong to apply human concepts such as that to God. If God is the ultimate being to say he is just male or just female limits his scope. If he is male he is less than female and vice versa.
But I didn't say God is the Universe. The Universe is within Reality. Reality is the base plain in which all things exist, it was never created, it allows for creation to exist within it, if there was no Reality there would be no universe.
Aft3r ImaGe
2006-06-17, 14:41
quote:Originally posted by Aeroue:
One of the main reasons people believe in God is because there is no sound explanation to the universe. Claiming God is the universe solves no problems at all.
Only as long as one ignores string theory.
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
But I didn't say God is the Universe. The Universe is within Reality. Reality is the base plain in which all things exist, it was never created, it allows for creation to exist within it, if there was no Reality there would be no universe.
You said God is reality. Reality is the effect of the universe. Universe leads to life, life leads to experience, experience is of reality. I disagree that reality came first, it is just a human concept.
Besides if reality is just a base plane it is not God anyway.
Besides your theory is completely unfalsifiable. Therefore meaningless in my opinion.
p.s. I know nothing about string theory. I'm no scientist.
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---Beany---
2006-06-17, 18:07
quote:Originally posted by Crestfallen106:
how do you know god not a hermaphidite
Exactly. Which is why they should be worshipped.
lobotomy
2006-06-18, 15:52
If I believed in God, I would believe in a female God. I think it makes more sense, because in mythology, women are usually symbols of fertility.
negative_zero
2006-06-18, 17:16
quote:Originally posted by lobotomy:
If I believed in God, I would believe in a female God. I think it makes more sense, because in mythology, women are usually symbols of fertility.
Women can't impregnate themselves, dumbass.
IanBoyd3
2006-06-18, 17:25
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
But I didn't say God is the Universe. The Universe is within Reality. Reality is the base plain in which all things exist, it was never created, it allows for creation to exist within it, if there was no Reality there would be no universe.
Why is it meaningful to call reality God? Why not just call it what it is; reality? Why are you redefining it and then acting like you've done something profound?
lobotomy
2006-06-18, 17:28
quote:Originally posted by negative_zero:
Women can't impregnate themselves, dumbass.
You don't have to take everything in the Bible literally.
I love the way that post just assumes that there is a God.
And that this God can be defined as either male or female.
It's far too narrow. I wouldn't know where to start.
Jx
negative_zero
2006-06-18, 23:25
quote:Originally posted by lobotomy:
You don't have to take everything in the Bible literally.
I don't take anything in the Bible literally. Women can't impregnate themselves and men can't spawn children. Both pitch in and some gooey scientific shit happens. Women carry and spawn the child. Dumbshit.
Florida Snow
2006-06-19, 18:42
It says god was made in our image, and adam was the first human, So you may assume christianically (heh thats deffinately not a word) that he'd be male, but personally I think he'd be like, asexual?
Haha not to be sexist but I'd love to see what type of rhetorical spiel the femjoys came up with for god being a girl.. You don't see fags saying god is this beautiful hunk of a guy
Abrahim: Saying that god is reality Is basically saying god is the combination of the human 6 senses. The sixth being thought.
How do you not know god Is nothing near what we see or hear, he could be something we couldn't possibly understand,
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lobotomy
2006-06-19, 20:10
quote:Originally posted by negative_zero:
I don't take anything in the Bible literally. Women can't impregnate themselves and men can't spawn children. Both pitch in and some gooey scientific shit happens. Women carry and spawn the child. Dumbshit.
Then what's wrong with my opinion that if there was a God, it would be female?
quote:Originally posted by Aeroue:
You said God is reality. Reality is the effect of the universe. Universe leads to life, life leads to experience, experience is of reality. I disagree that reality came first, it is just a human concept.
Besides if reality is just a base plane it is not God anyway.
Besides your theory is completely unfalsifiable. Therefore meaningless in my opinion.
p.s. I know nothing about string theory. I'm no scientist.
Reality in my definition is what the universe exists within, that the universe, when it was a compressed speck before it expanded was still within reality, reality being in the image of nothing, but what allows and holds all things within it, humans weren't around so its not a human concept, nothing was around but reality. Something can not come from nothing nor Exist within Absolute True Nothing, Nothing is just nothing and remains nothing it has no capacity to hold something like a Universe, but Reality is what the Universe is within and has the ability to hold it and all the possibilities related to it.
The reason I say Reality is God is because it is what all things are made of, completely dependant on, and what all things are within. It is the "controller" of the Universe because of its options which it has manifested, it is what provides us with what we can possibly do or possibly think if the possibility is not available then no one can conceive it. It is holder of all that is subjective and objective. The only true "God" and worthy of submission to because it was the most powerful factor in all cases. I dont mean Reality as Perception, but I'm saying all possible perceptions are even within the bounds of Reality.
quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:
Why is it meaningful to call reality God? Why not just call it what it is; reality? Why are you redefining it and then acting like you've done something profound?
I haven't redefined it, I'm bringing it back to its original meaning from the most ancient times since people have obsessed over their inventions of a man image God when there is No God, other than the most powerful factor in everything which is Reality. Its important to define God as Reality as it is incorrect to say that God is something within Reality, limited to a Form, a Being somewhere. Reality encompasses everything seen and unseen thought and unthought done and undone, all possible realities and universes within Ultimate Reality, it is the highest, the supreme, the most powerful factor in which we are completely dependant. This is so you don't look to imaginary false Gods that can never even be as powerful as the One true, original concept of God which is Reality. Its the only thing worthy of Submission to, the Most Powerful, the Only Powerful, essentially it is all there is and ever was, it is what everything is made of and existing within.
negative_zero
2006-06-20, 02:21
quote:Originally posted by lobotomy:
Then what's wrong with my opinion that if there was a God, it would be female?
There has to be an equivalent God like male person to stuff her vagina. Which makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Maybe God reproduces through budding. And I'm God. And so are you. Only, I'm better than you.
quote:Originally posted by Florida Snow:
Abrahim: Saying that god is reality Is basically saying god is the combination of the human 6 senses. The sixth being thought.
How do you not know god Is nothing near what we see or hear, he could be something we couldn't possibly understand,
So the Universe and all that is within it is only within the 6 senses of humans? I don't mean Reality as Perception, I mean Reality as what we exist within, what the universe exists within, what your mind and perception exist within!
Ophidian Sumerian Dildo
2006-06-20, 03:18
YOU FUCKING MORONS
God is not a human, he is not male he is not female.
He dosnt get angry he dosnt get sad.
He dosnt have ribs he dosnt have a penis.
He dosnt smile he dosnt feel he dosnt see.
He is completely alien and he has an ethic that transcends the conventional notions of what is good and what is evil.
negative_zero
2006-06-20, 04:19
YOU fucking moron.
God isn't a guy or a gal; gay or straight; black or white.
God is Michael fucking Jackson. Everything makes so much fucking sense now. No wonder they like getting their ass stuffed by him. They want his seed. Stupid kids.
potentgirt
2006-06-20, 04:44
Abrahim....
We are not made of God, God isn't reality, and whatever else you said...
It's contradicting in terms of the Big Bang, saying that since God is the universe, there was a time without Him....
activepsycho
2006-06-20, 05:26
Abrahim, I've reached the same conclusions as yourself. If you want to feel the touch of God, go outside on a nice day and lay in the grass, enjoy the moment of blissful eternity.
God is sexless, as sex is merely a human function designed for our own proliferation, God has no need for genitalia and cannot be classified as either man or woman, since He is neither.
Florida Snow
2006-06-20, 05:48
quote:Originally posted by potentgirt:
Abrahim....
We are not made of God, God isn't reality, and whatever else you said...
It's contradicting in terms of the Big Bang, saying that since God is the universe, there was a time without Him....
Hes saying that god is Reality, the fabric that everything we percieve exists in. So by him telling me that what he is saying is NOT that god Is an element of perception, I then don't understand his theory. How do you know that what we have come to call Life Is the single only thing we can exist in? Have you come back from the dead to tell us that reality is everything and anything, and so must be god? In that sense where in the fuck did Reality come from? I don't think It was manufactured by a human who just popped into existence without reason. Like mentioned above what about that which was Before reality, Before the Universe you can see with your eyes, the many planets stars, gases and metals that comprise our life. The end of the universe for instance? Do you think this reality just goes on and on and on and on forever in some sort of mobius strip peanut shell. Look up string theory. I continue to believe god is a higher dimensional Existence, not power or being, But an entirely differant existence, of which he is the master of our domain. I view our universe as a single protazoa floating in a enormous sea of time. Our galaxy could be a cell, or even a molecule in this organism. Kinda like stonery theory, Only once you finally get to the end of your universe, you would probably find a mirror image of it, making it most likely impossible to transcend this universe without immense technology.
Just some cheap nickel and dime ideas, but I'll rest assured god isn't reality that we percieve it to be.
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Florida Snow
2006-06-20, 05:57
The Best words I can use to describe god:
Seven dollars and forty nine cents
quote:Originally posted by potentgirt:
Abrahim....
We are not made of God, God isn't reality, and whatever else you said...
It's contradicting in terms of the Big Bang, saying that since God is the universe, there was a time without Him....
I never said God is the Universe, I'm saying that the Universe, the Big Bang, and all of that occured within Reality, Reality is God, everything is made of it and dependant on it.
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
YOU FUCKING MORONS
God is not a human, he is not male he is not female.
He dosnt get angry he dosnt get sad.
He dosnt have ribs he dosnt have a penis.
He dosnt smile he dosnt feel he dosnt see.
He is completely alien and he has an ethic that transcends the conventional notions of what is good and what is evil.
Why don't people listen to Sumerian Dildo's more often?
quote:Originally posted by activepsycho:
Abrahim, I've reached the same conclusions as yourself. If you want to feel the touch of God, go outside on a nice day and lay in the grass, enjoy the moment of blissful eternity.
God is sexless, as sex is merely a human function designed for our own proliferation, God has no need for genitalia and cannot be classified as either man or woman, since He is neither.
Excellent!
quote:Originally posted by Florida Snow:
Hes saying that god is Reality, the fabric that everything we percieve exists in. So by him telling me that what he is saying is NOT that god Is an element of perception, I then don't understand his theory. How do you know that what we have come to call Life Is the single only thing we can exist in? Have you come back from the dead to tell us that reality is everything and anything, and so must be god? In that sense where in the fuck did Reality come from? I don't think It was manufactured by a human who just popped into existence without reason. Like mentioned above what about that which was Before reality, Before the Universe you can see with your eyes, the many planets stars, gases and metals that comprise our life. The end of the universe for instance? Do you think this reality just goes on and on and on and on forever in some sort of mobius strip peanut shell. Look up string theory. I continue to believe god is a higher dimensional Existence, not power or being, But an entirely differant existence, of which he is the master of our domain. I view our universe as a single protazoa floating in a enormous sea of time. Our galaxy could be a cell, or even a molecule in this organism. Kinda like stonery theory, Only once you finally get to the end of your universe, you would probably find a mirror image of it, making it most likely impossible to transcend this universe without immense technology.
Just some cheap nickel and dime ideas, but I'll rest assured god isn't reality that we percieve it to be.
So where do your ideas and my ideas conflict?
I don't mean Reality as in the Universe or our Perception of the Universe. When this Universe was not here, what was there? There was only Reality. Reality is what is was and ever will be. It is in the image of NOTHING, but it is not NOTHING, it is what all things are within, All Universes, Realities, Possibilities. Something can not come from Nothing, The Universe can not Exist Within Absolute Nothing, Only Nothing can Exist within Nothing, Nothing has no Capacity, it can't manifest or hold anything. Ultimate Reality is essentially all there is, it was always there, if you strip everything within it, all realities, universes, worlds, dimensions, it is in the image of nothing, but there is nothing BUT it. It is all there is, there is nothing around it, it is infinite. Within it are manifested all possibilities, realities, universes, options, we being just one.
Do I have to die to know this? There is no God but this God, if you see some big being saying it is God, know that if you are experiencing it, seeing it, knowing it, or that it has a form that it is still a PART of Reality, Within Reality, smaller than Reality, Reality being what everything is made of, existing within, and dependant on.
God is not a being, we are beings, we are not Gods, we are part of the whole, but not the whole. All things are within, nothing is without. It is the only and most supreme God, the only worthy of submission to.
This belief isn't a new one, it is very ancient and can be found around the world at various times even in the most ancient socieities. Often later aspects of reality are described metaphorically and humanized which later are misinterpreted as dieties and seperate entities. There is only One.
All within, none without.
What is a Greater God?
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negative_zero
2006-06-20, 13:48
My IQ just dropped.
Florida Snow
2006-06-20, 18:20
God hates this arguement
Abrahim your argument is still no good.
So you are saying that everything is dependent on this thing called reality, but this reality is not what most people actually comprehend as what reality is.
The universe and everything within it comes from reality.
This sounds identical to the theory that everything is dependent on this thing called God, which is a necessary being nothing could be without.
Stating universe and everything within it comes from God.
Where did reality come from? How can reality create? Reality is just a concept reality cannot live or make decisions.
For something to be a God it must have free will, we worship God because he made us.
How can we worship something like reality that is incapable of such choices?
How can something be a God if it not alive in some way?
quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:
Well, given the fact that the Christian God impregnated Mary, it is logical to assume God is male (if you're a christian).
Quit thinking with your winky. Everyone knows God is made of pure energy. This means no gender. If a god like being could create everything as the stories say then he/she/it can certainly create sperm to impregnate a woman without being a man.
The great man on the throne image was made up by early men to make them feel closer to God. Doesn't it say in the bible make no graven images of God. Couldn't a mental image of a male figure the rules from on high be considered a "Mental Graven Image" of a sort?
If yoiu think about it. It says in the bible that God created "us" in God's own image. Cuold the mean that maybe God is a blended soul of bothe male nad female type consciousnesses?
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quote:Originally posted by Aeroue:
Abrahim your argument is still no good.
So you are saying that everything is dependent on this thing called reality, but this reality is not what most people actually comprehend as what reality is.
The universe and everything within it comes from reality.
This sounds identical to the theory that everything is dependent on this thing called God, which is a necessary being nothing could be without.
Stating universe and everything within it comes from God.
Where did reality come from? How can reality create? Reality is just a concept reality cannot live or make decisions.
For something to be a God it must have free will, we worship God because he made us.
How can we worship something like reality that is incapable of such choices?
How can something be a God if it not alive in some way?
Man, Reality didn't come from anywhere, its essentially all there is and every was, take away the universe, Reality was still there, Reality is what all things exist within.
"God is Reality. The Ultimate Reality. The Reality we exist within, interact with, are made of, where all possible perceptions of all possible things can occur, if the option for the thought is not available, you can't think it. The System is smooth, flawless, perfect, without Glitches.
People question the "control" of God without seeing how in fact they are completely limited and dependant on Reality. They look for something within Reality, when Reality itself is The Only God.
I don't only mean objective physical reality, I mean the subjective reality too, what we can think, a superimposed hallucinatory image, what matter is it made of? The actual image is not made of any matter, yet it is still an option within this Reality, or else you wouldn't be able to think it.
God is The Reality, there is no God but this. People say they will believe when they see some large being come down from the sky? Yet any large being that may come down from the sky is within reality, made of reality, limited by reality, thus Reality remains the True and Ultimate God.
The Ultimate Reality is where we exist, where this universe is, essentially it is the only thing, that ever was or will be.
Nothing does not exist, what I mean to say as, True, Absolute Nothing, does not exist, as something (this) can not come from Nothing. Nothing always remains as Nothing, it has no capability to manifest.
On the other hand, Ultimate Reality has always existed, there is nothing beyond it, it is all there is and ever was, it is the manifestor of all possibilities, all realities, including this one.
It is "alive" if it were dead, inactive, then so too would we be non active, incapable, non existant, All things are in motion constantly.
God is The Reality, all things are part of the Reality, made up of the Reality, dependant on the Reality. You can call it anything, from God, Allah, The Tao, The Force, The Brahman, its one thing, all of the above were words to describe it but some ended up humanizing it. It is not a human, it has no form, it is infinite, it has no limits, it is the only power, the ultimate power.
Why would one deny evolution and the processes of this universe? They are made manifest and clear. But to deny Reality would be the mistake, and Reality is the only God, the Ultimate God. The sustainer of Worlds, the Supreme "King", The Provider of all things.
Prove to me Reality does not exist? You can't without blatant denial of yourself and all that is within and without you. Reality is God, the Only God. We are all within it, and Nothing is without it.
quote:
Originally posted by truckfixr:
I can agree with you up to a point. Reality exists. Beyond that, you are stretching things a bit.
Reality is not a sentient being, thus it honestly cannot qualify as being a God. You're calling it so is based on your opinion/belief. Not on emperical evidence.
I'm not saying it is sentient in the way we are sentient:
Here is the definition from www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)
sen·tient ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snshnt, -sh-nt)
adj.
Having sense perception; conscious: “The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage” (T.E. Lawrence).
Experiencing sensation or feeling.
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Everything is made of Reality, including our feelings, and our ability to be sentient. Everything is within Reality, everything is in constant motion. Reality is not "dead" or else that would mean it would be nothing and not exist at all, nor would any thing manifest, exist, or manipulate, or even have a plain on which to exist, nor would or could anything manifest, appear or even move.
Reality is "Alive"
a·live ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lv)
adj.
Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
Main Entry: alive
Pronunciation: &-'lIv
Function: adjective
: having life : not dead or inanimate
Clearly Reality is Animate, we and everything is proof of this.
Ultimate Reality is "Aware" of all things existing within it, the proof of this is in the manifestation of all the available possibilities for us and our ability to execute them, furthermore our personal Awareness being proof of "Reality posessing Awareness". Besides all that, if Reality were not "Aware" those things it is "Unaware" of would not exist.
Aware
adj 1: (sometimes followed by `of') having or showing realization
We and everything around us are the Realization of Reality.
re·al·i·za·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-zshn)
n.
The act of realizing or the condition of being realized.
The result of realizing.
Manifestation:
man·i·fes·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-f-stshn)
n.
The act of manifesting.
The state of being manifested.
An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something: A high fever is an early manifestation of the disease.
man·i·fes·ta·tion (mn-f-stshn)
n.
An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something...
Main Entry: man·i·fes·ta·tion
Pronunciation: "man-&-f&-'stA-sh&n, -"fes-
Function: noun
: a perceptible, outward, or visible expression
There is your "Creation" The Manifestation of this Reality which is within Ultimate Reality, which is the Manifestor. To call it the "Manifestor" is not innacurate as clearly, we are manifest and here to prove it.
The funny thing is "We are witnesses unto ourselves" what I mean to say is "we are the proof against ourselves" So is everything else!
So to Recap, We and All that is, ever will be, ever was, ever can or will be, in this or any other reality, belongs within Ultimate Reality. Ultimate Reality is what we are "Manifest" within. There is no Diety or God greater or mightier than this, and it is not a humanoid or anything of the sort, nor does it operate or think like us, it is infinite, the proof of its life is in the movement of all things, the proof of its awareness is in our being manifest. If it did not "know" we would be "dead" or inactive in it. know ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n)
v. knew, (n, ny) known, (nn) know·ing, knows
v. tr.
To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dd)
adj. dead·er, dead·est
No longer in existence, use, or operation.
We are the proof amazingly, yet we look everywhere for something that doesn't exist, when "God" is right infront of us, we are operating through it. We are sufficient proof of it. The Ultimate Reality, we are within it, it is without us, self sufficient, be it that we exist or not, it is ever living, before and after. Call it what satisfies you, it is one undeniable thing, to deny it is to Deny the Truth, Yourselves, The Reality which you exist within.
ex·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zst)
intr.v. ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists
To have actual being; be real.
It is one God that has appeared throughout history, constantly mutated by the minds of men which belong to it completely, for their form to the possible thoughts they can possibly think. Even the most ancient hunter gatherer societies have this most ancient concept ingrained into their personal religions, even so, athiests deny it due to their definitions of God which they base of the corruptions of humans. God is and has always been "The Ultimate Reality" Never has "God" been a man in the sky, some being with a form, or anything possible within Ultimate Reality because it, itself is Ultimate Reality and all things are within it, not without it.
Its been called many things, though it is one thing, and so too are we, who all belong in it and exist only within it and because of it, are one with it, yet we deem ourselves self sufficient, we are completely dependant. We are under its controls by its limitations. It is beneficent in its gamut of options which it has bestowed us, to do what we wish, and all things having their cause and effect.
People claim that this world is IMPERFECT, do they see glitches? Does your computer screen suddenly dissapear forever with no explanation right before your eyes? The System is Perfect, This Reality is Perfect, Ultimate Reality is Perfect, if it is incapable of one thing it is Imperfection, as Imperfection is Nothing, it can not manifest.
All Religions are an attempt to explain this truth in a way people can understand. Many get close. Christianity tries in its own way but its humanizations mislead.
The first beliefs understood this, it was understood all was a part of Reality, then each part, to explain the phenomena was accounted a spirit of action, originally accepted as part of the One, but later misrepresented through alagory and explanation as its own part, and all beliefs have this core, as does human existence, since it is undeniable.
Each Religion from the most ancient to the new says it in their own Way and tries to make the message clear. It is one Message. There is only One Religion.
The only dispute and matter of "Faith" should be in an afterlife or ressurection.
But even so, that concept is there, once again reflecting ultimate Truth, that to everything there is a Cycle, even so to this universe, it expands and will collapse and restart. The Night and the Day and the Night and the Day. The land grows dry and dead and then rains bring out the life again. A million metaphors to represent the ultimate cycles within Reality.
truckfixr
Moderator posted 05-27-2006 15:29
Merriam-Webster online:
Main Entry: re·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: rE-'a-l&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being real
2 a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs <his dream became a reality> (2) : the totality of real things and events <trying to escape from reality> b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily
- in reality : in actual fact.
I assume that it wasn't intentional that you neglegted to provide the definition of reality, since you were so willing to provide so many other definitions.
You are giving the attributes of a living being being to that which is not. Simply because livings exist in reality, does not infer that reality is aware. Reality is not an entity.
Abrahim
Regular posted 05-27-2006 16:28
Reality is obviously not aware in the way we are but Reality is aware, the fact that we exist being that awareness manifest. If not we would not exist, but true that to us sounds humanization, but I don't mean it that way AT ALL.
en·ti·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nt-t)
n. pl. en·ti·ties
Something that exists as a particular and discrete unit: Persons and corporations are equivalent entities under the law.
The fact of existence; being.
The existence of something considered apart from its properties.
If anything, in that case, Reality would be the only Entity, what we all exist within, what only exists, what we are all made of. That would only be according to definition 2 of the word. In any case, everything is within and part of one thing, and that is Reality, it is infinite, essentially it is all there is.
in·fi·nite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nf-nt)
adj.
Having no boundaries or limits.
Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.
Mathematics.
Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.
Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.
Of or relating to a set capable of being put into one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself.
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Abrahim
Regular posted 05-21-2006 16:30
This was posted in another topic but is relevant here:
I will never believe in a God that is limited to a form or visible. Why? That would mean God is encompassed by Reality, that the possibilities of Reality allow the possibility of God to be visible and would be limited to a visual form. My God is Reality, what encompasses everything, what you and I are within, made of, interacting with. We "See" God and experience God every moment of our lives without realizing it. You are as much a part of God as Me, or the Air, the the tree, or a little grain of dust, or the universe. God is One, essentially God is All there is and Ever was. God is Reality, the Ultimate Reality. It is alive, conscious. How do we know it is alive, conscious? If it were "dead", or unconscious, not a single thing would happen, not a possibility could exist. We are active, alive, moving within Reality, utilizing Reality, everything is in constant motion, proof of its "life". It is surrounding us, encompassing us, the ultimate control, unescapable authority, yet we call other things, things within its realm "God" when it, and only it is The True God.
It is what makes all possibilities available to us, all the things we can possibly do or possibly think, all the things that can possibly exist within this reality are existant only because it has allowed it to exist and manifested those options. If the option didn't exist, we wouldnt be able to do it, or think it.
Reality is something often taken for granted, people look for Gods when God is always right infront of them, behind them, everywhere, but some don't comprehend.
Who knows how many possible realities, alternatives, different systems and physics may exist within Ultimate Reality, which encompasses all, we will never know other than our own Reality and its options. This is because our Reality can not process or acess any other Reality or system that does not posess the options that our reality has.
What I believe with certainty is there is No God other than Ultimate Reality, that everything we know, and what we don't know, all the possibilities performed and unperformed, that are available to us to do or think, were manifested by it. Reality is what has always existed, all things are in motion, it is "alive" in that sense. Not a single thing can come from absolute nothing, absolute nothing does not exist, nor has it ever existed, if it ever existed it would still exist and something can not come from absolute nothing, absolute nothing always remains absolute nothing. Ultimate Reality, the plain in which all things can exist, has always existed. All things exist within Ultimate Reality, including our Reality, our Universe, and all that is within it.
Submitting to Reality, attempting to at least grasp a little understanding of it, humbling oneself to the ultimate power, and living a life in congruency with what is best for you can be goals to attempt to achieve.
Can God communicate to mankind? How?
We do the thinking, the processing of information, the possibilities are all available provided by Reality. "Inspiration" is the form in which true prophets are said to recieve their information, this is that their conciousness becomes clear and understanding is granted.
I do not believe any true prophet sat there and thought out what they were going to say and then claim it was from God, but rather that their "Inspiration" was like an enlightenment of mind in which they recieved tremendous amounts of information and understood to some degree. The possibility for that to happen existed, their minds did the work and the processing, they spoke the words "God Inspired". A State of clear conciousness, to them it didn't feel like they were doing it or thinking those things, accessing knowledge which they did not posess, but the knowledge was there, their awareness was raised to a point of inspiration from "Reality" and that is the fashion in which God can communicate to people. It is still within the bounds of our understanding, inspiration never took the form of a series of numbers or digits which not even the Prophets could comprehend or see the relevance of.
There are no glitches in the system that we are aware of, no point in which suddenly this screen dissapears randomly, everything is smooth.
A short Recap of the Above Concepts:
God is not a form within Reality, but rather God is The Ultimate and Essential Reality, what everything exists within and is made of. I would resist anything within Reality, within the possibility of existing in Reality as God, knowing the Most Superior is what provides all the options, what everything exists within. Essentially, God is One, everything is a part of it, it is infinite, formless, beyond our Universe and Reality, it is the Ultimate Reality which only exists and encompasses all, all are made of it, existing because of it.
No matter what one might think, nothing is self sufficient, all things are completely dependant on reality, completely restrained by the gamut of options available to us.
Ultimate Reality is "Alive" its nature as living can be seen in our life, in the movement of all things, if it were dead, it would not exist, nor would anything, nothing would move, there would be no options, nothing would have ever been manifested in the first place and there would be no options to hold any possibilities.
God communicates to the prophets through "inspiration". I do not believe the Prophets were aware of their own minds activity in the process, but genuinely felt the clear consciosness and understanding of being "inspired". I do not believe they deliberately chose or carefully devised what they said, but were in a state of clearity, almost trance, when being inspired.
I agree with what agrees with me. I believe the prophets came to similar conclusions through inspiration, my conclusions are based on the revelations in the Qur'an. (This is discussed in my Islam Topic, you can read about it on the second to last post on the first page.)
Does Reality want us to be a certain way? Some things are clearly indicated and developed through natural processes provided by Reality. I do believe concepts of right action, being a "good human" came originally from these inspired states as they are part of being congruent with reality, doing what is intended, submitting ones will to Reality.
Is there judgement? I won't risk it as I have no knowledge of the future. I will do what is outlined in the revelation that was "inspired" and will hope to be rewarded, if there is absolutely nothing, then I will simply remain dead. I will not risk ultimate failure and loss on conjecture or belief in a future that I can not be certain of, I can not be certain that there is no Judgement no matter what anyone claims to its absurdity, and I will not gamble with such a risk, especially when the warning comes from a Book which has provided me my main concept, that God is Reality. I believe the message is true.
Feel free to ask questions in any of my three topics, "The True Religion", "What is God?", and "Interested in Islam?".
I apologize for the length of this post, I thank any of those who managed to read it, I am glad if anyone enjoyed it or gained insight from it.
The True God will never be limited to a form within Reality. Reality, what everything exists within including us is the only True God, provider, "controller", the Control and Provision is in the options it has provided which each play out every moment.
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prozak_jack
2006-06-22, 18:17
You guys are all idiots. God is a gigantic alien who created our universe in a perverse experiment.
kingcong
2006-06-23, 04:09
God is beyond the gender.
kingcong
2006-06-23, 04:10
quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:
Well, given the fact that the Christian God impregnated Mary, it is logical to assume God is male (if you're a christian).
god made adam before eve thus god is none, but a PERFECT being. "he" cant be male. hes above it all. Hes everything.
quote:Originally posted by kingcong:
god made adam before eve thus god is none, but a PERFECT being. "he" cant be male. hes above it all. Hes everything.
YOU'RE RIGHT!
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abrahimesker
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I'd like to talk to you, whats your adress?
quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:
Quit thinking with your winky. Everyone knows God is made of pure energy. This means no gender. If a god like being could create everything as the stories say then he/she/it can certainly create sperm to impregnate a woman without being a man.
The great man on the throne image was made up by early men to make them feel closer to God. Doesn't it say in the bible make no graven images of God. Couldn't a mental image of a male figure the rules from on high be considered a "Mental Graven Image" of a sort?
If yoiu think about it. It says in the bible that God created "us" in God's own image. Cuold the mean that maybe God is a blended soul of bothe male nad female type consciousnesses?
I don't believe consciousness has gender. Or that a "Soul" is anything more than the life energy in a person. Tell me God's Image, you're looking at God right now and always.
old-codger
2006-06-23, 13:03
Interesting that no one has mentioned the Sophia, the feminine part of God that is Wisdom.
quote:Originally posted by old-codger:
Interesting that no one has mentioned the Sophia, the feminine part of God that is Wisdom.
Hmm well a couple people screamed "GOD IS A GIRL" and one said something like "Maybe God is both femanine and masculine"
old-codger
2006-06-23, 13:34
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
I don't believe consciousness has gender. Or that a "Soul" is anything more than the life energy in a person. Tell me God's Image, you're looking at God right now and always.
This I like, applying a gender to something is very human though; be it a car, a ship or God.
The Gospel of St Thomas has always been something I've been interested in, It fits with my view of God.
dragoon84
2006-06-23, 18:21
I think God is whatever it wants to be, it covers all sexes and methods of being. Why would God limit itself to male or female?
Why are we applying human concepts to God?
Why would he be male or female, or even have a name, for that matter?
quote:Originally posted by old-codger:
This I like, applying a gender to something is very human though; be it a car, a ship or God.
The Gospel of St Thomas has always been something I've been interested in, It fits with my view of God.
I have some other religions and texts that might fit your fancy *opens trench coat*
Metalligod
2006-07-02, 03:26
quote:Originally posted by Madeyalook:
Some people say He's male, others say it can't be determined, and there's even some feminazis that say God is female. I just want to share what I think and see what other people think for this, I don't want to start a flame war "I'm right and you're wrong" sort of thing.
I know we refer to God as a male, but that's because that's just the default in the English language and most other languages. However, wouldn't saying that God has a gender be demeaning by comparing Him to a human? He's an ultimate being, not a person.
I know I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to religion, and I may be way off with this, which is why I posted.
*puts on flame-retardant vest*
That's just another case of stupid HUMANS humanizing their icons. God and His/It's angels are in ther celestial forms are SEXLESS.
However, God is said to equally be male and female, having two parts The Shekinah (female), and I can't seem to recall the name given the male version at this time.
But only the modernist (Constantine/King James version(s)) followers personify God as solely male, and this is do to the efforts of both Constantine and KJ.
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
Originally posted by Madeyalook:
Some people say He's male, others say it can't be determined, and there's even some feminazis that say God is female. I just want to share what I think and see what other people think for this, I don't want to start a flame war "I'm right and you're wrong" sort of thing.
I know we refer to God as a male, but that's because that's just the default in the English language and most other languages. However, wouldn't saying that God has a gender be demeaning by comparing Him to a human? He's an ultimate being, not a person.
I know I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to religion, and I may be way off with this, which is why I posted.
*puts on flame-retardant vest*
That's just another case of stupid HUMANS humanizing their icons. God and His/It's angels are in ther celestial forms are SEXLESS.
However, God is said to equally be male and female, having two parts The Shekinah (female), and I can't seem to recall the name given the male version at this time.
But only the modernist (Constantine/King James version(s)) followers personify God as solely male, and this is do to the efforts of both Constantine and KJ.
I don't believe in such a thing as "masculine and femanine" essences or attributes...I believe, humans are humans, some are men, some are women, but not that women are one way and men are another way, that we all have personalities and ways of interaction and interpretation.