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Ophidian Sumerian Dildo
2006-06-20, 03:10
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
jsaxton14
2006-06-20, 03:18
<typical christian argument>
Well, if God exists, and if God is all-knowing, who are you to question him?
</typical christian argument>
Ophidian Sumerian Dildo
2006-06-20, 03:20
You know what god's law was for rape?
The male would pay fifty pieces to her father, and they would force the rape victim to MARRY the rapist!
What the fuck is that?
potentgirt
2006-06-20, 04:39
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
You know what god's law was for rape?
The male would pay fifty pieces to her father, and they would force the rape victim to MARRY the rapist!
What the fuck is that?
Old Testament= ^^^
New Testament= God:"Whoops, that got a little out of hand, let's go back and clarify things"
Don't bother citing Old Testament laws like that one, unless you are speaking with a Jew.
Wavecrest
2006-06-21, 02:05
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
You mean those are BAD things? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
Anyway, it's people's interpretation of said quotes. People's thoughts and ideas change and, hey, guess what! Magically, God's views change too. Go figure http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
quote:Originally posted by Wavecrest:
You mean those are BAD things? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
Anyway, it's people's interpretation of said quotes. People's thoughts and ideas change and, hey, guess what! Magically, God's views change too. Go figure http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
I can write a book about what God said and Jesus did too.
Wait since when does God allow rape and all those things? He didn't he allowed us the choice to rape kill babies he gave us "free will".
quote:Originally posted by bigdjr:
Wait since when does God allow rape and all those things? He didn't he allowed us the choice to rape kill babies he gave us "free will".
Think you should check into some of the things Jehovah ordered in the old testament, he not only "allowed it" he ordered it! Sorry it doesn't cut it to pass that off as old testament not new testament, last time I looked they were both part of the one bible.
Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
Hi, I don't call myself a christian, but others do and I don't mind, because most associate xianity with the demiurge you correctly point out ordered all those terrible things and the counterfeit catholic church and it's cults. Point is the god you describe is not the christian god.
Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)
Xerxes89
2006-06-21, 14:37
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
Rape = Because God is a P.I.M.P.
Baby Killing = How can there be dead baby jokes without dead babies ???
Slavery = How could the pyramids be built without human construction equipment http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif).
Genocide = You can't have manslaughter... without laughter.
Ritual Human Sacrifice = It's was the new trend back in those days.
<typical christian argument>
Its meant to be taken figurtivly
</typical christian argument>
I was listening to NPR the other day (I know, shoot me) when some blurb came on the origin of which I do not remember. It was a plug for a show airing later in the day about some godforsaken state full of poor people which was cutting healthcare benefits. The soundbyte had some woman lamenting along the following lines: "I know this is all part of your plan, god, but isn't it enough that I can't walk? Why do you have to make me sick, god?"
And the thought struck me (as it often does, of late) that if my god went around rendering people unable to walk and then making them sick I wouldn't go about worshiping him. Would you?
Or is it more a function of the majority of people being predisposed or simply conditioned to be incapable of accepting the tribulations of reality at face value and therefore needing some sort of unseen, mystical entitity to foist responsibility off on?
Adrenochrome
2006-06-21, 16:30
With total freedom of choice comes responsibility for your decisions. MAn doesn't like this so man creates god and fobs responsibility off on god.
quote:Originally posted by Fate:
I was listening to NPR the other day (I know, shoot me) when some blurb came on the origin of which I do not remember. It was a plug for a show airing later in the day about some godforsaken state full of poor people which was cutting healthcare benefits. The soundbyte had some woman lamenting along the following lines: "I know this is all part of your plan, god, but isn't it enough that I can't walk? Why do you have to make me sick, god?"
And the thought struck me (as it often does, of late) that if my god went around rendering people unable to walk and then making them sick I wouldn't go about worshiping him. Would you?
Or is it more a function of the majority of people being predisposed or simply conditioned to be incapable of accepting the tribulations of reality at face value and therefore needing some sort of unseen, mystical entitity to foist responsibility off on?
God gave her a big fat mouth to complain with didn't he? She should PRAISE DA LODE
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
quote:Originally posted by fused:
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
Why is Jesus your God?
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
Why is Jesus your God?
What kind of a question is that?
That's like asking "why is allah your God" to a muslim.
duck_dojo
2006-06-23, 22:24
Because you touch yourself at night.
Also, people say that Hitler was a monster because he was responsible for the worst genocide the world has even seen.
These people are wrong. God was responsible for this when he caused a big fuckoff flood and killed hundres of innocent babies. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
10000teeth
2006-06-23, 23:01
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
I also wonder why "he" approves of all the atrocities that were committed in "his" name (ie. Spanish Inquisition, witch trials). Christians might say that it's all part of this earthly test: in other words, just how much strife and chaos can one endure and still be at the lord's mercy. Christians are maso-sado-chist if you ask me.
0therean
2006-06-24, 02:37
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
I can write a book about what God said and Jesus did too.
Do it, you can start a cult and commit murder/suicide.
quote:Originally posted by 0therean:
Do it, you can start a cult and commit murder/suicide.
I dunno about the last part lol.
Ophidian Sumerian Dildo
2006-06-24, 22:44
Jesus is your god lol.
How do you know what Jesus even preached about, considering the bible you so eagerly cling to has been manipulated by various political leaders throughout the ages and branded with so many hidden agendas that the eventual product's sheer contradictions and absurdities outweigh any merit it's principles had by being more in number then the actual words!
Theres even evidence to suggest that the guy never even existed, and consider this:
His message was generic and flawed. He preached peace in a time where brutal force was nessessary to eradicate old values in order to bring about the propagation of new ideas, and look where that loopy hippie pascifistic bullshit got him. Killed. Like our whole god damn society is so hung up on these socio moral implemnts teeter tottering on the edge of their own self absorbed ideologies and were missing the vital nature of our own cultural enclosures here. The only was to bring peace is through war, and there can never be freedom with law and order. Chaos is beautiful and your "God" preached commandments that our technologicaly evolved and culturaly aware society still follows today, the law is impeding and false and it all date back to hundreds of years ago when pseudotribal political cavemen would preach false messages hopped up on wines fortified with datura material, then stir up entire communtites about how they saw "Angels and Demons and hear the voice of God". Get the fuck out of here. And even if your going to worship a man who had a half way decent philosophy, why dont you start worshipping men today who carry some spiritualy signifcant messages? Give me a break about Jesus and The bible, it just blows my mind how we as a society continue to function under laws written thousands of years ago by psycotic tribesemen who thought it was alright to rape, kill, and torture in the name of something that dosnt even EXIST.
IanBoyd3
2006-06-25, 05:32
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
I can write a book about what God said and Jesus did too.
How? Were you there? Of course shit, I guess none of the writers of the new testament were there either, but still.
Plus, it's supposedly been done. [rolls eyes]
IanBoyd3
2006-06-25, 05:36
quote:Originally posted by fused:
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
More proof that, in fact, the trinity is so illogical and incomprehensible to humans that even christians mess it up all the time.
Jesus said all those things because God said all those things.
Like "I know this, because Tyler knows this," from potentially the best movie ever made.
The fact that the more modern half of the book is better then the beginning doesn't make up for it. It's the same author all the way through.
The author of "A million little pieces" (whatever the hell his name was) embellished a few details and got his ass destroyed. Imagine what Oprah would do to the bible if they could see what really happened.
Megalodon
2006-06-25, 06:28
<typical christian argument>
You can't shake my faith http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif). You are evil and I won't listen to you.
</typical christian argument>
insert witty comment here
2006-06-26, 12:52
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
i know the quotes but would you care to share them with the rest of us with the 2 verses infront and behind...
crazed_hamster
2006-06-26, 16:20
quote:Originally posted by fused:
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
You do know who Jesus' daddy is, don't you?
---Beany---
2006-06-26, 17:49
Why are these disuccions always exclusive to xians?
random1739
2006-06-27, 01:30
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
What the fuck? Where is the approval notice?
Mr. Tree
2006-06-27, 02:30
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
Collectively, what would the human race be like without free-will?
Original_Pranksta89
2006-06-27, 21:19
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
It wasn't so much god's approval as it was the folly of man, let's face it most men are not perfect and to say god approved of these things is just another one of man's mistakes. If you have to question why god would approve of something then he probly doesn't and no book will tell me otherwise.
Adrenochrome
2006-06-27, 22:15
quote:Originally posted by Original_Pranksta89:
It wasn't so much god's approval as it was the folly of man, let's face it most men are not perfect and to say god approved of these things is just another one of man's mistakes. If you have to question why god would approve of something then he probly doesn't and no book will tell me otherwise.
So why did God command baby killing and genocide then?
Nihilist
2006-06-27, 23:53
you can destroy the bible as much as you want. it still does nothing to disprove or defame god.
carry on.
Nihilist
2006-06-28, 00:00
quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:
Why are these disuccions always exclusive to xians?
because theres alot of 'canned' one liners the trolls can memorize. you dont think these ppl actually spent any time thinking of this, do you?
i mean for gods sake, these same things have been said and mocked for centuries. literally. as a matter of fact, it seems to me the only ppl who think anyone still beleives this bullshit [outside of cults] are the trolls.
but it makes them feel smart and better than someone else. and they need something like that, because theyre unhappy, petty, insecure ppl.
i dont care about what they beleive. but for some reason, they just cant stand this about me.
the quickest cure for a person who flames things like this is getting a life. i dont get pissed about it because theyre teenagers looking for attention and drama.
weve all been there at some point.
We shall raise an elven army to defeat those vicious trolls!
hespeaks
2006-07-19, 03:20
quote:Originally posted by fused:
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17,18
I think God made those things to piss you off enough to start a thread about it so that his son, me, could one day post in such a thread however that great prodicle son (me) would not post anything of value, and his words would definately not be described as any sort of contribution at all.
In fact, God intended his son (me) to post a post that whilst being posted and even once posted had no specific purpose or intention in itself.
I love posting.
GatorWarrior
2006-07-20, 01:58
quote:Originally posted by Ophidian Sumerian Dildo:
I want any and all christians to answer a few questions I have.
Why does your god approve of rape, bayby killing, slavery, genocide, and ritual human sacrafice?
are you a dumbass???? That was the OLD Testament
If you read the NEW Testament you would know that all those old laws are gone except the ten commandments.
GatorWarrior
2006-07-20, 01:59
quote:Originally posted by fused:
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
Digital_Savior
2006-07-20, 10:50
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
I can write a book about what God said and Jesus did too.
Not really, considering you didn't even know that Jesus was mentioned in OT prophecy. Heh.
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:
Not really, considering you didn't even know that Jesus was mentioned in OT prophecy. Heh.
Jesus wasn't mentioned in OT prophecy. It never said "Jesus".
Digital_Savior
2006-07-21, 10:46
quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:
Jesus wasn't mentioned in OT prophecy. It never said "Jesus".
Only an person that had never read the OT would say something that uneducated.
Since I already pwned you on this subject in AIM, I won't embarass you publicly by doing it again, here.
Long walk + short pier for you ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
Mellow_Fellow
2006-07-21, 14:08
quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:
With total freedom of choice comes responsibility for your decisions. Man doesn't like this so man creates god and fobs responsibility off on god.
Zing.
Well, the monotheistic God at least...
quote:Originally posted by hespeaks:
Originally posted by fused:
I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that these things were acceptable.
Jesus is my God, and anything he says overrides the Old Testament completely.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17,18
Tittle! lolzl
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:
Only an person that had never read the OT would say something that uneducated.
Since I already pwned you on this subject in AIM, I won't embarass you publicly by doing it again, here.
Long walk + short pier for you ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
I'd like it if you did "pwn" me here too. What you read to me did not say Jesus and any man can claim to be the son of God. Besides all these things, a prophecy by a man of something very wrong and untrue and blasphemous is not justification for anything. They used to say "And Zues shall have a son!" and blah blah blah. No, but God is One God, Jesus is a messenger of God, a human being, Jesus was a human who could make decisions, but he was one who had submitted. God is beyond sons and is no one's father. God is the creator, not a man nor in the image of man. Absolutely all images and things are within God.
I don't believe Jesus ever claimed to be the son of God, I don't believe in the New Testament or the Old Testament or the Hadiths that the Muslims follow. You can tell me a hundred things Jesus supposedly said and say its proof: But you never met Jesus and have no idea what he said, and I never met him either, but I am quite sure in my heart that Jesus was never so arrogant to say that he is God or the son of God or the Word of God, but that he was the Servant of God, a Humble messenger giving the message to those who would deny it. To top it off I don't even believe Jesus died on the cross!
Here is my story of Jesus:
Marium was a young woman who was devout and a worshipper of God raised around very pious and righteous messengers of God. If she prayed for something she would get it, she was innocent and good.
One day a messenger(an angel this time) appeared to her in the form of a human and told her that she was to have a son. She asked how since no man has touched her and the messenger said that for God it is only "Be" and it is. Her son would be named Isa.
When she gave birth to Isa with the help of a messenger (an angel), Isa was able to speak as a baby even which put people in a state of shock.
Isa grew up and preached the message to the B'nei Israel, the ancient tribe of Jews who were dealt with by Musa before Isa. Musa had given them the Taurath, which they had by now already corrupted, edited, deleted from, changed, hidden passages from and completely messed up so that only a small portion of the original message remained.
Isa came to correct the errors they had made and reinstate the original message, he brought the book called the Injeel. Eventually Isa was captured and they wished to execute him but he prayed to be saved and so he was, they instead put up an illusion or someone they thought was Jesus while Jesus did not go up on the cross, and by God's will they were all fooled when they proclaimed "We have killed him!".
Isa was the Messiah who had been prophesized as coming after Musa, this does not mean he can save anyone but was the rightful prophet to bring the next book in the series. The Injeel was soon after hidden and lost.
Some say that Isa traveled east and they have found the tombs of Isa and Marium in the mountains of Asia but who knows what happened to him.
Isa never claimed to be God or the Son of God, nor did he ever demand that people worship him or pray to him, but told people to worship and pray to the one God, the God of Musa, Ibrahim, Isaac, Yakuub, and all the prophets. This God is the one supreme all encompassing Lord of the Worlds. Fatherless, Sonless.
Isa was created in the fashion that Adam was manifested.
This is the version of the Jesus story I believe and so when you state things from the New Testament or the Old Testament, both books which I don't believe in for what they say, I still don't believe it.
Do you think hell is for those who deny that Jesus was God's son? Or that Hell is for those who say God the all powerful has a son who saved men from sins, though it is men who need to take personal responsibility, and Jesus can not save on behalf of anyone. Only God, the One God, The God that Jesus worshipped and was a servant of and messenger of, is the God that can forgive.
What you quoted from the Old Testament, I'd like you to quote it here too, it firstly never says Jesus, even if it had said Jesus I wouldn't believe because I know that God is not one to have Sons or Daughters or Children and is not a Man.
Furthermore I believe Jesus never experienced the cross but was saved and all were fooled by an illusion, a miracle of God.
All the prophets and messengers believed in the one God and worshipped the one God: They were all against the idea of idol worship and God having children or Gods beside God or many Gods within God, it was always One. Go back to the history of Hinduism and it was also one God, the same God of the prophets, the All encompassing all powerful Reality that all things are dependant on.
If you don't want to believe this and want to hold on to blasphemy and claim that God has a begotten son and that God has 3 distinct personalities that is your own loss. What I am saying to you is the Truth.
Jesus was the Servant of God who worshipped only God and asked the people worship only God.
There is One God, all is within God, you can not put a number on God save One, the Infinite all encompassing.
Do not worship Jesus, he worshipped God, Worship God only, not a God who is in the image of man but the Ultimate all Powerful True One God.
[This message has been edited by Abrahim (edited 07-22-2006).]
IanBoyd3
2006-07-22, 05:18
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:
Only an person that had never read the OT would say something that uneducated.
Since I already pwned you on this subject in AIM, I won't embarass you publicly by doing it again, here.
Long walk + short pier for you ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
Fine deal, how about you quote the bible passage that says "Jesus" in it and we'll drop the matter, savvy?
IanBoyd3
2006-07-22, 05:20
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Tree:
Collectively, what would the human race be like without free-will?
I guess you would have to define free will sir.
Depending on what you mean, you may already be looking at the human race without free will.
edit: bullshit post, completely misquoted someone. my bad http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)
[This message has been edited by Food (edited 07-22-2006).]