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the crow
2006-10-23, 17:30
pardon me guys..but i think there are several scriptures similar between islam and christianity. example the use of word "amen"
the muslims also belive that moses was prophet and also belive that christ to be a saint.. please tell more about the basic similarities and differences between the two most popular religions
Twitch_67
2006-10-23, 17:38
They're both the children of Judaism, so of course they have similarities.
You're better off doing simple Google searches to learn more about similarities, rather than posting here asking people to throw out random facts for you. Here are a couple of links to get you started.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/comp_isl_chr.htm
http://www.jerusalemites.org/jerusalem/christianity/24.htm
Entheogenic
2006-10-23, 19:40
Islam sees itself as the "next step" in the Abrahamic religious trend, much as Christianity saw itself as the "next step" from Judaism. They believe--albeit with some modifications--most of the things that Christians and Jews believe, with their own new dogma added in.
Entheogenic
AnAsTaSiO
2006-10-23, 21:17
It's almost like there is no unique religion because each one piggyback's off's each other.
Judaism spawned Christianity and then Islam and I'm sure Judaism was spanwed from something else.
quote:Originally posted by the crow:
pardon me guys..but i think there are several scriptures similar between islam and christianity. example the use of word "amen"
the muslims also belive that moses was prophet and also belive that christ to be a saint.. please tell more about the basic similarities and differences between the two most popular religions
Every few similarities, but many differences:
Islam requires that one submit to it, obey it and fear Allah. (Nothing about love, honor or respect.)
Muhammad taught his followers that there was nothing better (or holier) then fighting in jihad warfare.
Muhammad told his followers to offer non-Muslims only three choices: conversion to Islam, subjugation (slavery), or death.
These teachings are still taught by mainstream Islam.
Islamic distaste for all nonbelievers is a constant of Islamic history and persists today.
Islamic law treats women as nothing more then possessions of man, (Their worth is only half that of a man.) and sanctions wife-beating.
Islam’s only overarching moral principle is “if it’s good for Islam, then it is alright. Lying, cheating, stealing, killing are OK if done in Allah’s name.
The charge of “islamophobia” is used to intimidate and silence critics, when someone quotes or tells the truth about what is “actually” written in the Quran they are said to be purveyors of “hate speech.”
If one converts from Islam to Christianity they are under a mandatory death sentence from all true believers.
Islam is anything but a peaceful religion.
Does Christianity “demand” that one must follow similar teachings to be a good Christian???
If you really what to understand Islam go to Profitofdoom.net and read the book Profit of Doom. It is some 950 pages and it “is” a looong read, but the author takes you chapter-by-chapter step-by-step thought the Quran. If you take the time to read this entire book and someone then tells you the Quran and Islam are a peaceful religion you will just laugh in their face. You will also understand why we are having this "so called" war on terrorism.
the crow
2006-10-24, 17:02
it is difficult to belive that Islam teaches/preaches violence.. does that mean one should no longer respect Islam for its stupid ideas??
Twitch_67
2006-10-24, 17:05
I'd much rather read the Koran myself than what is quite possibly twisted verses.
quote:Originally posted by Twitch_67:
I'd much rather read the Koran myself than what is quite possibly twisted verses.
Good idea. I'm no fan of Islam, but some of Spock's claims are severely twisted and others are flat out bullshit.
quote:Originally posted by Martini:
Good idea. I'm no fan of Islam, but some of Spock's claims are severely twisted and others are flat out bullshit.
Exactly, he actually took the time to read some BS e-book that some nazi wrote and is stupid enough to believe everything it says.
ArmsMerchant
2006-10-24, 19:44
There are no significant differences.
Each is fear-based, patriarchal, chauvinistic, and obsolete.
quote:
"Originally posted by Twitch_67:
I'd much rather read the Koran myself than what is quite possibly twisted verses."
"Good idea. I'm no fan of Islam, but some of Spock's claims are severely twisted and others are flat out bullshit."
If you do not wish to dispute what I have said, that’s fine.
But first why don’t you go and ACTUALLY read the Quran? The truth might just surprise you.
It is all their hiding in plain sight, but unless you are willing to look you will never see it.
quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:
There are no significant differences.
Each is fear-based, patriarchal, chauvinistic, and obsolete.
Possibility true but if you offend a Christian and his God chances are he will ask God to forgive you.
If you offend a Muslim and his Allah chances are he will kill you.
Twitch_67
2006-10-24, 21:37
Spock, I'm curious, did you buy a Koran and read it completely to see if what the man said is correct?
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
If you offend a Muslim and his Allah chances are he will kill you.
Are you that naive?
quote:Originally posted by Twitch_67:
Spock, I'm curious, did you buy a Koran and read it completely to see if what the man said is correct?
The Quran is a pretty difficult read, and one is better off reading books explaining the Quran, rather than reading the Quran itself.
"Islamic law treats women as nothing more then possessions of man, (Their worth is only half that of a man.) and sanctions wife-beating."
There is nothing in the Quran that says that a woman is worth half a man. If I remember correctly, what it says is the inheritance a woman gets is half of what her brother gets. The accepted reason being that in earlier times women were taken care of by their family or husbands. Getting less inheritance is much different than being worth half a man and I don't know where "Islamic law treats women as nothing more then possessions of man" came from. Maybe Spock can clear that up.
"Islam’s only overarching moral principle is “if it’s good for Islam, then it is alright. Lying, cheating, stealing, killing are OK if done in Allah’s name."
Where'd ya get this one from Spock?
"Muhammad told his followers to offer non-Muslims only three choices: conversion to Islam, subjugation (slavery), or death."
According to the following site, that's not true: http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/terrorism_verses1.htm
Whether or not that is apologists sticking up for their religion is debatable, but it's not really important.
The Bible also states that we should stone to death those who work on Sunday, etc, but most Christians wouldn't do that these days. The vast majority of Muslims also don't believe that they should kill non-Muslims.
quote:Originally posted by Twitch_67:
Spock, I'm curious, did you buy a Koran and read it completely to see if what the man said is correct?
The simple answer to your question is NO. HOWEVER! What I have done is read the writings of a number of individuals that “have” read it and studied it. The overall consensus of these authors was always the same; Islam is not a peaceful religion. This conclusion was reached after reviewing 12 different translation of the original. They had to plowing through bad grammar and sentences that didn’t make sense. Allah supposedly dictated the Quran to Muhammad, if this were true and considering that Muhammad was literate, one would think that Allah being a supreme being would have at least corrected his grammar, but apparently not.
Also the stories that are in the Quran were written down in the order that they were told, rather then chronologically. Thus to truly understand the Quran these scholars had to first figure out their correct time line.
Once this was done a clear picture of the life of Muhammad emerged, it is not a pretty picture. The “Quran’s” own description of Muhammad shows him to be a thief, a murderer, and warlord who developed Islam as a means of controlling his followers.
This information is actually really available from many sources, if you look for it, but you will not find it in the politically correct newspapers or on the evening news.
Martini: said.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE QURAN THAT SAYS THAT A WOMAN IS WORTH HALF A MAN.
You could be right on that. I seem to recall reading it somewhere, but can’t remember where. I could be wrong.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHAT IT SAYS IS THE INHERITANCE A WOMAN GETS IS HALF OF WHAT HER BROTHER GETS.
THE ACCEPTED REASON BEING THAT IN EARLIER TIMES WOMEN WERE TAKEN CARE OF BY THEIR FAMILY OR HUSBANDS. GETTING LESS INHERITANCE IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN BEING WORTH HALF A MAN AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE "ISLAMIC LAW TREATS WOMEN AS NOTHING MORE THEN POSSESSIONS OF MAN" CAME FROM. MAYBE SPOCK CAN CLEAR THAT UP.
These quotes are from the “Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam” by Robert Spencer or the Profit of Doom” by Crag Winn
Quran: 4:11 “Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females….
Quran: 4:34 “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other”
Quran: 2:223 “Your women are a tilth (field) for you to cultivate (use) so go to your tilth as ye will”
Quran: If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with them. Then only one, or a captive (slave) that your right hand possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from going injustice”
"ISLAM’S ONLY OVERARCHING MORAL PRINCIPLE IS “IF IT’S GOOD FOR ISLAM, THEN IT IS ALRIGHT. LYING, CHEATING, STEALING, KILLING ARE OK IF DONE IN ALLAH’S NAME."
WHERE'D YA GET THIS ONE FROM SPOCK?
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Qur’an 5:41 “Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them.”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”
Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know that Allah is your Supporter. And know that one fifth of all the booty you take belongs to Allah, and to the Messenger, and for the near relatives (of the Messenger).”
"MUHAMMAD TOLD HIS FOLLOWERS TO OFFER NON-MUSLIMS ONLY THREE CHOICES: CONVERSION TO ISLAM, SUBJUGATION (SLAVERY), OR DEATH."
ACCORDING TO THE FOLLOWING SITE, THAT'S NOT TRUE: HTTP://WWW.THEMODERNRELIGION.COM/TERROR/TERRORISM_VERSES1.HTM
WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS APOLOGISTS STICKING UP FOR THEIR RELIGION IS DEBATABLE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE BIBLE ALSO STATES THAT WE SHOULD STONE TO DEATH THOSE WHO WORK ON SUNDAY, ETC, BUT MOST CHRISTIANS WOULDN'T DO THAT THESE DAYS.
This is from one Islam’s “other” holy(?) books, (Ibn Kathir 8,668)
“When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them harm.
Invite them to accept Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting them… if they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. (A tax that is a vertial form of slavery.) If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”
Qur’an 2:104 “To those who don’t submit there is a grievous punishment.”
Qur’an 3:4 “As a guidance to mankind, He sent down the criterion (to judge between right and wrong). Truly, for those who deny the proofs and signs of Allah, the torture will be severe; Allah is powerful, the Lord of Retribution.”.”
Qur’an 8:13 “This because they rejected Allah and defied His Messenger. If anyone opposes Allah and His Messenger, Allah shall be severe in punishment. That is the torment: ‘So taste the punishment. For those infidels who resist there is the torment of Hell.’”
Qur’an 5:4 “This day those who reject faith give up all hope of your religion. Yet fear them not, fear Me. This day I have perfected your religion and have chosen for you Submission as your religion.”
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD KILL NON-MUSLIMS.
Fortunately for us this is true. But that makes them bad Muslims and good Muslims are to kill them.
Qur’an 4:90 “If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
This is from one Islam’s “other” holy(?) books, (Ibn Kathir 8,668)
That's not a fair way to criticize Islam, since Islam has no holy books other than the Quran. As I said earlier, I'm no fan of Islam. But when you attack it unfairly, people see through it and are now less likely to believe any further criticisms you have of Islam that may be worth listening to.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Fortunately for us this is true. But that makes them bad Muslims and good Muslims are to kill them.
Qur’an 4:90 “If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Again, an unfair criticism. Most Muslims will tell you that this quote was taken out of context. Here is that verse in full given by three different translators:
004.090
YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
PICKTHAL: Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.
SHAKIR: Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Fortunately for us this is true. But that makes them bad Muslims and good Muslims are to kill them.
No, it makes them good Muslims because they interpret the Quran in a peaceful way. There you go again making a false claim. No where does the Quran say that Muslims should kill other Muslims.
I could just as easily say that the majority of Christians are bad Christians because they don't follow all of the orders to kill in the Old Testament, even though Jesus says in the NT that he did not come to change any of the old laws.
ArmsMerchant
2006-10-25, 19:08
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Possibility true but if you offend a Christian and his God chances are he will ask God to forgive you.
If you offend a Muslim and his Allah chances are he will kill you.
I doubt that. Ever hear of the Inquisition? The Burning Times? The Crusades? The Holocaust? The world-wide cultural genocide perpetrated by countless Christian missionaries?
They make the Muslims look like pikers.
Nidias_91
2006-10-26, 01:18
quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:
I doubt that. Ever hear of the Inquisition? The Burning Times? The Crusades? The Holocaust? The world-wide cultural genocide perpetrated by countless Christian missionaries?
They make the Muslims look like pikers.
Very well put. Most Christians that criticize other religeons fail to realize that they are one of the bloodier ones.
The difference between Christianity and Islam in that regard is that throughout time, violent Muslims have been the minority.
In the crusades, most Christians beleived the violent anti-Islam viewpoint.
Yes the Quran is Islam’s “only” holy book but as I understand it to better understand the Quran one also needs to have an understanding of Islam’s “lesser” holy books.
Like most religious text the Quran can be interpreted in many ways. An apologist will look at the term “holy Jihad” as a struggle to gain spiritual enlightenment, yet when the Quran talks about it, it is in the context of fighting. So who is right?
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Over the years there is no question that Christians have frequently acted in some very “unchristian” like ways. But did the Christians start the crusades? Did they just one day decide “hay I’m bored. Lets go kill some Muslims and anyone else we might run into”? Or might the crusades have been in response to the Muslims who had taken over by force about 2/3 of Christian land of that time.
Personally I do not have any use for any of today’s organized religions. But considering their basic overall beliefs I would rather have a fundamentalist Christian mad at me, rather then a fundamentalist Muslim. Christianity basically preaches piece and tolerance, although many do not practice it. Islam basically preaches submission and war, although fortunately many do not practice it.
Prophets with swords and multiple wives > prophets that turn the other cheek and die virgins.
If only Jesus was as cool as Akhmed.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Yes the Quran is Islam’s “only” holy book but as I understand it to better understand the Quran one also needs to have an understanding of Islam’s “lesser” holy books.
There are no other "lesser" holy books.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Like most religious text the Quran can be interpreted in many ways. An apologist will look at the term “holy Jihad” as a struggle to gain spiritual enlightenment, yet when the Quran talks about it, it is in the context of fighting. So who is right?
I think the problem with the way you're going about this is that you seem to "want" to see Islam only from the perspective of whacky Islamic hate sites that are just as bad if not worse than apologists.
Look at the way Sura 4.90 has been "translated" by your source and look at it again from the three sources I provided. There nothing alike, but it seems that you have this "want" to accept that yours is the correct translation. Trust me, it's not. The three translators (with maybe the exception of Ali) are well regarded as giving accurate interpretations of the Quran, even by Arabic speaking Christian scholars.
I don't know if you remember the threads where Abrahim and I went at it, but I made sure that any criticisms I had of Islam were correct, and because of that I was able to destroy his lame arguments.
All I'm saying is, is that there's enough to pick on Islam for that is interpreted in English translated Qurans, that you don't need to go to bogus websites that make shit up to make good arguments against Islam. You'll get a lot farther that way.
Nidias_91
2006-10-26, 23:22
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Yes the Quran is Islam’s “only” holy book but as I understand it to better understand the Quran one also needs to have an understanding of Islam’s “lesser” holy books.
Like most religious text the Quran can be interpreted in many ways. An apologist will look at the term “holy Jihad” as a struggle to gain spiritual enlightenment, yet when the Quran talks about it, it is in the context of fighting. So who is right?
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Over the years there is no question that Christians have frequently acted in some very “unchristian” like ways. But did the Christians start the crusades? Did they just one day decide “hay I’m bored. Lets go kill some Muslims and anyone else we might run into”? Or might the crusades have been in response to the Muslims who had taken over by force about 2/3 of Christian land of that time.
Personally I do not have any use for any of today’s organized religions. But considering their basic overall beliefs I would rather have a fundamentalist Christian mad at me, rather then a fundamentalist Muslim. Christianity basically preaches piece and tolerance, although many do not practice it. Islam basically preaches submission and war, although fortunately many do not practice it.
"unchristian ways"
couldnt I just say that violent Muslims are being unislamic?
COULDNT I JUST SAY THAT VIOLENT MUSLIMS ARE BEING UNISLAMIC?
If a violent Muslim is “just following” his religion is he being unislamic?
chickenpoop
2006-10-27, 03:09
google is your friend....I'm not.
THERE ARE NO OTHER "LESSER" HOLY BOOKS.
The Sira (biography), Ta’rikh (history), and Hadith (report), may not have the official weight of the Qur’an but no matter how they were inspired their quotes still fell from Muhammad’s lips. The “message” did not differ from source to source because the author was always the same.
Anyway A few years back if you were to have asked me what I thought about Islam I would have given you the typical PC answer. That it is a peaceful religion just like all others, “complete” with a “few” nut cases here and there.
But when one stops to look at the world in general, and sees backward countries with poor living conditions and limited or no freedom, more often then not it is the peaceful religion of Islam that is dominant.
In places where there is or was fighting going on, one side is usually Muslim, and in some cases both sides.
The train bombings in London, Spain and India were carried out by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
The rioting in France and Denmark, etc. was also done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
The death threats to, and the murders of, authors who have spoken out about Islam were done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
The attacks on the WTC, our embassies, the Cole, and the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, etc.etc, etc, also done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
When a suicide bomber goes into a crowded restaurant and blows himself up along with as many others as he can, or when they slowly cut the head off a captive allowing him to drown in his our blood and all the while shouting “Allah is the Greatest” this again is done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
Thus at some point you have to ask yourself WHY IS THIS? What is it about this “peaceful religion of Islam” that causes it to produce such a disproportionate amount of terrorism and violent behavior?
However if one then takes the time to read about Islam the, good, bad, true, false, after a while an overall understanding will emerge. The conclusion being, what we have here is not the disillusioned ramblings of a few nut cases misquoting their bible and calling for a holy war against all nonbelievers but this is what the Quran ACTUALLY teaches. AT IS CORE ISLAM IS ANYTHING BUT A PEACEFUL TOLERANT RELIGION.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
The Sira (biography), Ta’rikh (history), and Hadith (report), may not have the official weight of the Qur’an but no matter how they were inspired their quotes still fell from Muhammad’s lips.
Not true. Many Muslims don't accept any of the Hadith or supposed history as reliable and other sects only believe in a select few. The Quran is the only book that all Muslims agree is without fault.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
But when one stops to look at the world in general, and sees backward countries with poor living conditions and limited or no freedom, more often then not it is the peaceful religion of Islam that is dominant.
In places where there is or was fighting going on, one side is usually Muslim, and in some cases both sides.
You have a lot to learn about both history and the current world.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
The train bombings in London, Spain and India were carried out by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
The rioting in France and Denmark, etc. was also done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
The death threats to, and the murders of, authors who have spoken out about Islam were done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
And you define billions by a few?
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
When a suicide bomber goes into a crowded restaurant and blows himself up along with as many others as he can, or when they slowly cut the head off a captive allowing him to drown in his our blood and all the while shouting “Allah is the Greatest” this again is done by members of this peaceful religion of Islam.
So? When an Israeli shoots a Muslim throwing rocks, do you define Judaism by that action?
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
Thus at some point you have to ask yourself WHY IS THIS? What is it about this “peaceful religion of Islam” that causes it to produce such a disproportionate amount of terrorism and violent behavior?
It has a hell of a lot more to do with politics than religion.
quote:Originally posted by Spock:
However if one then takes the time to read about Islam the, good, bad, true, false, after a while an overall understanding will emerge. The conclusion being, what we have here is not the disillusioned ramblings of a few nut cases misquoting their bible and calling for a holy war against all nonbelievers but this is what the Quran ACTUALLY teaches. AT IS CORE ISLAM IS ANYTHING BUT A PEACEFUL TOLERANT RELIGION.
You've proven enough times in this thread alone that you aren't educated at all about Islam, except what you have read from propagandist sites.
I give up. I tried.
suck my dick
2006-10-29, 00:43
Islam is an organized crime and criminal political system which has nothing to do with Judaism and Christianity, except for the fact that it stole some ideology from those religions and created a fake religion which seeks to destroy Jews, Christians and all non-muslims.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com
http://www.faithfreedom.org
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/index.php
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.php
http://www.faithfreedom.org/holiday/phpBB2/index.php
http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php
http://www.activistchat.com
http://islam-watch.org/CommunityServer/forums/default.aspx
http://islam-watch.org
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm
http://www.islam-watch.org/
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/
http://www.atcoalition.net/
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/pages/6-Mein%20Kampf_jpg_jpg_jpg.htm
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/moslem.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://atheism.about.com/cs/islamandviolence/
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html
http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html
http://www.domini.org/openbook/home.htm
http://www.persecution.org
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583
http://www.danielpipes.org/
http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/kafirdomunity/action.htm
http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/BTaliban/Bangla_Taliban_Photos.html
http://www.bwoi.cjb.net
http://www.chechentruth.cjb.net/
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
http://www.arabsforisrael.com/pages/1/index.htm
http://www.rotter.net/israel/
http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Islam.html
http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/TalibanOnline1.html
http://www.truthtree.com/Debating/posts/755.html
http://www.isralert.com/archives/2005/03/deceit_thy_name.php
http://www.factsandlogic.org
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/zakirnaik/zakicaptured.gif
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/toc.html
http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/quotes1.html#terrorism
http://www.pmw.org.il/
According to these links the Quran has been changed over time.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-koran-manuscripts.htm
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/3.html
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/
http://www.jodkowski.pl/re/MBright.html
http://cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5258
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Mellow_Fellow
2006-10-29, 15:29
They are a simple core idea, tweaked to the customs and social beliefs of two groups of people.
So they can seem different, but in the end, they are very much the same.
Did you check first with Martini to see if these sites are politically correct and approved for general viewing? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
I randomly looked at a few and they were saying "bad" things about Islam. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)
I never tried to censor anything. Get a life.