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Since the carbon released burning fuels made from pot is only equal to the amount absorbed during the growth period, this fuel doesn't alter the environment...unlike the fuels used today, which release carbon saved up from millions of years ago. It's also cheaper to make, & doesn't cause acid rain.
Why the fuck aren't we using it??
deus-redux
2007-04-17, 10:22
Well you do have to factor in the energy used on machinery growing the stuff.
That said, it still comes out a net outputter of energy.
So why aren't we using it? Oil is still cheaper, and contrary to a few PR exercises, the OPEC governments still back oil.
-deus-
as with any 'biofuel' there isn't enough land to grow the amount of crop required. Also you have to look at the environmental costs caused by growing it eg. water aquifier depletion, soil erosion, loss of biodiversity, fertilisers (made from Natural gas and oil) entering water systems etc..
and again it comes down to the point that your using land which could be used to grow food to 'feed the world' to instead provide a tiny % of fuel.
as with any 'biofuel' there isn't enough land to grow the amount of crop required. Also you have to look at the environmental costs caused by growing it eg. water aquifier depletion, soil erosion, loss of biodiversity, fertilisers (made from Natural gas and oil) entering water systems etc..
and again it comes down to the point that your using land which could be used to grow food to 'feed the world' to instead provide a tiny % of fuel.
Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America's energy needs.
Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.
MasterPython
2007-04-19, 07:04
Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America's energy needs.
Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months.
How much of the farmable land is there in the US and how much is already under cultivation?
i found it hard to find the total farmed land but turned out to be around 430 million acres
http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm
so 6% of that is 26 million acres
i found it hard to find the total farmed land but turned out to be around 430 million acres
http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm
so 6% of that is 26 million acres
Could also be the shittiest land where almost nothing else wants to grow. That would still save the other 404 million acres of good farm land to grow food.
On the other hand, we could always just stop driving. :rolleyes:
water aquifier depletion, soil erosion, loss of biodiversity, fertilisers (made from Natural gas and oil) entering water systems etc..
About these...I don't know about water aquifer depletion...but soil erosion wouldn't happen for sure. Cannabis grows deep complex root systems...people used to use it to save river edges from breaking up, among many other things...
I also don't think that a large loss of biodiversity would occur, since it was already grown all over America before 1937...would it have changed much now?
And I don't know about chemical fertilizers either, but I would suggest just not using them. Or at least organic, if that would cause less damage?
But as far as feeding the world...if you wanted to expand that 6% a little, hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. The byproduct of pressing the oil from hemp seed is high quality protein seed cake. It can be sprouted (malted) or ground and baked into cakes, breads, and casseroles. Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins.
And then if the world wasn't filled with greedy bastards, you really could feed the world...or at least some of the starving?:confused: :o
About these...I don't know about water aquifer depletion...but soil erosion wouldn't happen for sure. Cannabis grows deep complex root systems...people used to use it to save river edges from breaking up, among many other things...
yes but back then it was used sparingly, planted by hand and not plouged up every few months, these practices remove the top soil. Aquifier depletion is a massive problem all over the world which is going to start to bite in the coming decades. We have been pumping out massive quantities of water for the last 40 years or so to irrigate massive areas of land, in some areas (in china and india) the level that this water is at is dropping by a few meters a year and the situation isn't much better in the US. And we can't just wait for rain to refill these stores as alot of these aquifiers contain so called 'fossil water', water that is not replaced
And I don't know about chemical fertilizers either, but I would suggest just not using them. Or at least organic, if that would cause less damage?
the problem is that the excellent yields quoted are becase the ground is pumped full of fertilisers, pestasides, insectacides etc... If you remove the fertilisers totally yields would plummet - possibly irreversiblY. And organic works on a smallish scale but not on the scale that we would need to fuel the world, there just isn't enough natural fertiliser around. You also have to include the machinery, tractors to plough, sow, spray and harvest, machines to process it and the trucks or pipelines to transport the product.
But as far as feeding the world...if you wanted to expand that 6% a little, hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. The byproduct of pressing the oil from hemp seed is high quality protein seed cake. It can be sprouted (malted) or ground and baked into cakes, breads, and casseroles. Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins.
thanks didn't know most of that
And then if the world wasn't filled with greedy bastards, you really could feed the world...or at least some of the starving?:confused: :o
sadly it's human nature, everyone wants the most they can get
yes but back then it was used sparingly, planted by hand and not plouged up every few months, these practices remove the top soil. Aquifier depletion is a massive problem all over the world which is going to start to bite in the coming decades. We have been pumping out massive quantities of water for the last 40 years or so to irrigate massive areas of land, in some areas (in china and india) the level that this water is at is dropping by a few meters a year and the situation isn't much better in the US. And we can't just wait for rain to refill these stores as alot of these aquifiers contain so called 'fossil water', water that is not replaced
Like I said, I don't know anything about the aquifer stuff, but it sounds like a big problem. However, I do have to disagree with you about hemp being used sparingly many years ago. 80% of the economy used to depend on hemp, it was the number one crop. There were even times that if you lived in America, you had to grow pot.
the problem is that the excellent yields quoted are becase the ground is pumped full of fertilisers, pestasides, insectacides etc... If you remove the fertilisers totally yields would plummet - possibly irreversiblY.
Hemp does not require pesticides or herbicides, and if you really want to rip the plants apart each harvest (I'm not quite sure, but I do not believe this is absolutely necessary), the complex root systems would leave behind lots of valuable nutrients, improving the soil quality for more hemp and even other plants.
sadly it's human nature, everyone wants the most they can get
I disagree that its human nature, but I agree that the situation is sad. I think humans have a choice. All to often, too many choose wrong.
Either way, we can keep using fossil fuels till we run out and the world economy crashes, people loose jobs, and hell breaks out everywhere...or we could find an alternative fuel now, and try to stop ruining the planet while at it.
I also believe that cannabis can provide that. Or we should seriously just stop driving...but that itself would require a huge change in culture and how communities are set up.
the market will provide. as we start to see a bottom in our collective barrell of oil, the price will sky rocket. at this stage alternative energies will look mighty apealling. the smart money is on developing alternative fuel sources now, so the instant people realise it will be right there to make the billions to be had.
just because not everyone drives a hydrogen car (or whatever) now does not mean that the technology will not be fine tuned when we really need it.
just because not everyone drives a hydrogen car (or whatever) now does not mean that the technology will not be fine tuned when we really need it.
Sure...I just think we need it now, not years from now when we have to make a switch, or else. Why put that pressure on ourselves?
People are silly creatures.
deus-redux
2007-04-20, 21:50
Sure...I just think we need it now, not years from now when we have to make a switch, or else. Why put that pressure on ourselves?
People are silly creatures.
Because it's easier to stick your head in the sand than look at the incoming tide.
-deus-
well that is essentially what it is. people should change sooner rather than later, but it is easier to ignore the issue until there is no alternative.
but it won't be armageddon when the oil starts running out. it will happen over a period of years, where the price increases and people find it much more economical to adopt new technologies. that is of course, as long as the OPEC doesn't panic and triple the price of oil in one day, and knowing them, it isn't unthinkable.
Dark_Magneto
2007-04-22, 20:12
...but it won't be armageddon when the oil starts running out. it will happen over a period of years, where the price increases and people find it much more economical to adopt new technologies. that is of course, as long as the OPEC doesn't panic and triple the price of oil in one day, and knowing them, it isn't unthinkable.
Or their production drops off a cliff 30%+ in the space of months and keeps falling like has been seen in some countries that agressively overproduce due to production falloff from secondary recovery water injection methods.
Or their production drops off a cliff 30%+ in the space of months and keeps falling like has been seen in some countries that agressively overproduce due to production falloff from secondary recovery water injection methods.
yes if say a very large field like ghewar or burgan entered a decline similiar to that of the cantarell field in mexico we would be screwed, 10-15% depletion in a year would be devastating. People say that a cut of a few mb's a day would only raise prices a bit but during the 70's oil embargo's oil supply was cut by less than 5%, yet prices increased 400% and caused a world recession.
Hemp does NOT need fertilizer
Hemp does NOT need pesticide
Hemp does NOT cause soil erosion
Hemp does NOT require large ammounts of water
And if it is not being grown for human consumption you could use contaminated water, and the plants would purify it.
Sounds like a great alternative to me.
This is totally true. Some very good information is provided here. Cannabis literally grows like your garden variety weeds, ie little or no attention required. Unfortunately for smokers of this fine herb, this would only produce schwag at best, not the double tokeable type.
chumpion
2007-05-29, 06:03
You seem to assume that noone out there is doing anything alternative at the moment.
I'm happy to say my local fish and chip shop has been powering my car for a while, both with straight vege oil in summer, and biodiesel in winter.
I'm not looking forward to the oil crisis - it'll mean I'll have to start paying retail for fuel again!
^^ If you have some yard and one of these http://www.oliveoilsource.com/pressesmodel5.htm
you could make your own hemp biofuel
ArgonPlasma2000
2007-06-15, 01:19
You know, the fact that automotive manufacturers will never sell diesel cars en masse in America makes the point moot. Bitches in Cali and Jew York have too strict emmisions requirements. (Isnt is funny that Euros bitch about our transport infrastructure when we have stricter emmisions regulations than almost all of Europe and all of Asia?)
That is the reason you will be very hard-pressed to find diesel vehicles that arent large trucks in America or werent imported from Canada.
I think it is either next year or 2009 that Honda will be bringing diesel to America with catalytic converter technology from Mercedes. Unfortunately it will still cost an arm and a leg to buy them. I can go out and buy a Saturn Sky and get 40 mph and 260 hp for just as much.
I cant wait for BMW's new engine makes it to America. Check this shit out, niggas: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/24/four-cylinders-400-nm-bmws-new-turbo-diesel/
Awwwwwwww yeeeeeaaaaaa!