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Al Gore is a hypocrite because he preaches to all who will listen to start drastically reducing their energy use or the world will come to a crashing end, while he is personally consuming at a rate of many multiples that of the typical American family.
You can find all this information by simply doing a Google search 'Al Gore energy use'.
Negative Press:
"Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year"
http://www.nationalcenter.org/Z022707=al-gores-energy-use.html
"In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. ... Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles ... But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences"
http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/how-green-is-he/20060814100109990001
"Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
Positive Press:
I did find this video, that suggests the information gathered has been skewed. Note this is only talking about one of his homes.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/28/olbermann-on-gores-energy-use-setting-the-record-straight/
This does not address his consumption from his other homes, or on his profiting by allowing zinc mining on his property that has been showed to have severally polluted the surrounding environment.
Here is another website takes a kinder look at his energy usage.
"Why can't conservatives argue THE ISSUE of global warming, rather than this crap"
I think it is fair to check if a man's actions match what he says.
"His car today is an SUV, but it's also a hybrid"
First point, his car does not need to be an SUV. Second point, hybrids have been shown to actually have a larger ecological footprint on the environment, because of the devastating environmental effect of having to create the electric battery. Third point, by far the best thing for anyone who is concerned with the environment can do is to by a used car, simply because then a new car does not have to be produced.
http://www.attytood.com/2007/02/breaking_news_al_gore_uses_ele_1.html
So I ask you all whats your opinion, on Al Gore's energy usage? Please note if your post anything that even slightly diverges from the line of "I hate Al Gore, because he is a hypocrite" you had better have a strong argument behind it.
Trousersnake
2007-06-03, 23:08
I'll just put these out there
"Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River"
- What's that got to do with his energy use? It's impacting on an aquatic environment not burning bucketloads of fossil fuels.
- It speaks of 'typical' American family when alleging he is a over consumer of energy. It then goes on to say how records suggest he hasn't signed up for green energy - How many 'typical' American families have?
Real.PUA
2007-06-06, 20:27
Al gore uses 100% green power (atleast he claims to), among other things to minimize his impact. Plus, he does a lot of other shit than just live in his home.
who really cares about al gore. americans seem to love reducing an issue down to the people who belive in it. it doesn't matter if al gore stomps on baby kittens and burns down orphanages, global warming is still a problem and energy use must be contained.
if he doesn't do it himself it doesn't make the issue any less important. it just means that he is, as you said, a hypocrite. but al gores personality traits have sweet fuck all to do with global warming, power consumption and greenhouse gasses.
sadly though, many americans look at gore, say "he is using too much power" and ignore the entire issue of greenhouse emmisions, because they are fucking stupid and can't seperate out personalities from politics.
buttthrax
2007-06-07, 05:21
Al gore uses 100% green power (atleast he claims to), among other things to minimize his impact. Plus, he does a lot of other shit than just live in his home.
No he doesn't. He's on the same power grid as everyone else in Tennessee. What he does is "buy" "carbon credits" which amounts to nothing more than shuffling around a couple papers within a corporate office in London that he happens to own. So basically he transfers money between a couple of his bank accounts and calls it green. We've been over this before.
buttthrax
2007-06-07, 05:25
who really cares about al gore. americans seem to love reducing an issue down to the people who belive in it. it doesn't matter if al gore stomps on baby kittens and burns down orphanages, global warming is still a problem and energy use must be contained.
if he doesn't do it himself it doesn't make the issue any less important. it just means that he is, as you said, a hypocrite. but al gores personality traits have sweet fuck all to do with global warming, power consumption and greenhouse gasses.
sadly though, many americans look at gore, say "he is using too much power" and ignore the entire issue of greenhouse emmisions, because they are fucking stupid and can't seperate out personalities from politics.
You may have a point (you don't), but we're not going to listen to a hypocrite. And it just so happens that the biggest proponent of "global warming" in the United States is Al Gore. So it's easy to dismiss the entire "global warming" apparatus as a socialist ploy (which it is).
Trousersnake
2007-06-07, 05:41
So it's easy to dismiss the entire "global warming" apparatus as a socialist ploy (which it is).
Don't bite my head off because I geniunely want to know - A ploy to do what exactly? I have no idea about American politics, or my own Countries for that matter (I voted for John Howard...is that a shocker? The 4 eyed equivalent to Bush, a 'liberal' under our system - why did I bother voting when I dunno what's going on? Because it's the law) but is he running for pres again or trying to his equivalent in? Is he trying to make money through carbon credit business which you say he is involved in? Both? Something else?
I have to agree Al Gore is irritating as all hell, and if you haven't seen the 'man bear pig' episode of South Park, that you should get onto that.
buttthrax
2007-06-07, 06:17
Don't bite my head off because I geniunely want to know - A ploy to do what exactly?
To place greater control over industry in the hands of the government. To place greater control over the economic activities of the individual in the hands of the government. To remove our freedom of choice.
Al Gore is a Democrat (read: socialist) and pushing the global warming theory down everyone's throat plays right into the things that they are trying to do to this country.
Trousersnake
2007-06-07, 06:46
To place greater control over industry in the hands of the government. To place greater control over the economic activities of the individual in the hands of the government. To remove our freedom of choice.
Al Gore is a Democrat (read: socialist) and pushing the global warming theory down everyone's throat plays right into the things that they are trying to do to this country.
See if you'd open your eyes and shut your trap you'd realise we (to an extent) have similiar stances.
What happens here is our air quality laws are strict, if you want to recycle say a refridgerator here for the metal you have to bust it apart to remove all the non-metal components...say why not ship it to China where they melt it no matter how much plastic and shit you have to burn...cause the their air is so different to ours you know.
But I'd prefer a balance, which is what I set out to do in my own work. None of the extremes to the spectrum that seem to exist. I'd rather have a government controlling industry then industry controlling an appointed government. A government in power is elected, an industry wanting to write its own rules is not. But I'd much rather progress which takes us back to my balance theory.
And as for freedom of choice it has its boundaries too, if someone smokes next to me I didn't exactly chose to have their smoke in my air space but it happens. But I hate all those protesters that won't allow things like mills in their community saying dumb tired shit like "not im my backyard" so it's a pain in the ass trying to please everyone.
BurNinHeLL1232
2007-06-07, 20:46
See if you'd open your eyes and shut your trap you'd realise we (to an extent) have similiar stances.
so it's a pain in the ass trying to please everyone.
You could always do the American thing and just remain uneducated and act like everything else in the world is ok. if you need help doing so just please divert your undivided attention from the world news to Paris Hilton's jail sentence. (she was released btw)
Real.PUA
2007-06-07, 22:34
No he doesn't. He's on the same power grid as everyone else in Tennessee. What he does is "buy" "carbon credits" which amounts to nothing more than shuffling around a couple papers within a corporate office in London that he happens to own. So basically he transfers money between a couple of his bank accounts and calls it green. We've been over this before.
No, actually you can sign up for "green power" programs from most power companies. This is basically wind and/or hydroelectric. You pay more, but all the power you use is produced by these means. He buys carbon credits for other shit...not his home power.
buttthrax
2007-06-08, 12:25
No, actually you can sign up for "green power" programs from most power companies. This is basically wind and/or hydroelectric. You pay more, but all the power you use is produced by these means. He buys carbon credits for other shit...not his home power.
No actually you're a jackass. Algore doesn't get special power, he's a lying piece of shit just like you. We've been over this already in this forum, the thread has long been deleted, but stupid pieces of shit like you like to forget how much of a fatass piece of shit Algore is.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528
Fuck you asshole.
Real.PUA
2007-06-09, 00:07
No actually you're a jackass. Algore doesn't get special power, he's a lying piece of shit just like you. We've been over this already in this forum, the thread has long been deleted, but stupid pieces of shit like you like to forget how much of a fatass piece of shit Algore is.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528
Fuck you asshole.
Moron. Carbon offsets are different from the "green" energy program that you sign up with thorugh your LOCAL power company.
Sentinel
2007-06-09, 13:31
Even if Al Gore is a carbon-spewing, gas-guzzling hypocrite, it doesn't make any of his arguments invalid. Ad Hominem.
Even if Al Gore is a carbon-spewing, gas-guzzling hypocrite, it doesn't make any of his arguments invalid. Ad Hominem.
It should at least make his political campaign invalid, because we all know that's really why he preaches all this shit about global warming.
Real.PUA
2007-06-11, 23:28
It should at least make his political campaign invalid, because we all know that's really why he preaches all this shit about global warming.
I wasn't aware Al Gore was running for a political office.
ComradeAsh
2007-06-18, 15:19
Negative Press:
"Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year"
http://www.nationalcenter.org/Z022707=al-gores-energy-use.html
"In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. ... Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles ... But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences"
http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/how-green-is-he/20060814100109990001
"Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
Okay, I'm going to make this really easy for you:
1: Al Gore has a MUCH bigger house than the average american, OF COURSE he is going to use more power.
2: I could say that according to public record there is no evidence to suggest that you aren't an asshole. That doesn't make it true, does it? I wasn't aware that ones power bill was a public record.
3: So? you remember that simpsons episode with the film about Zinc? Well obviously its gotta come from somewhere.
nimajneb92
2007-06-18, 15:29
Al gore uses 100% green power (atleast he claims to), among other things to minimize his impact. Plus, he does a lot of other shit than just live in his home.
But he is still using a lot of energy, he could use green energy and consume less energy to help the environment more.
Al Gores a good guy..
Do you know how many times he saved us from Manbearpig?
I'm super serial..
The Creator of Life
2007-06-26, 06:30
Al Gores a good guy..
Do you know how many times he saved us from Manbearpig?
I'm super serial..
You guys talk about him like shit, after all the attacks he's stopped. If it wasn't for him, we would have had another 9/11 run by manbearpigs. Be thankful, and he's super serial.\
crazy maniac
2007-06-26, 23:06
what makes al gore so damn special that he needs such a huge fucking house that consumes like 100x more then the average home, sure he's rich, but noone needs a house that big.
satanicbusdriver
2007-06-28, 02:05
al gore can suck my balls. thats my educated input.
JumpRopinJesus
2007-07-02, 15:25
al gore can suck my balls. thats my educated input.
Very educated.
How many people honestly expected Al Gore's life to revolve around green energy?
I mean seriously...if you did...you ARE an idiot.
satanicbusdriver
2007-07-03, 01:15
How many people honestly expected Al Gore's life to revolve around green energy?
the same people who voted for him. TWICE.
abecker1313
2007-07-03, 16:48
al gore's a piece of shit politician who'll say anything for media attention, power, and money.
during the 2000 elections after the meteoric rise of the internet the bastard comes out and says "i invented the internet" when he obviously doesn't have a fucking clue about electronics, computers, or engineering.
today's hot issue is the environment and global warming and whadaya fucking know, here's al gore preaching the gospel. Al gore and other hypocritical politicians need to be lobotomized so they stop putting the world in the gutter at breakneck speeds.
Real.PUA
2007-07-04, 11:56
al gore's a piece of shit politician who'll say anything for media attention, power, and money.
during the 2000 elections after the meteoric rise of the internet the bastard comes out and says "i invented the internet" when he obviously doesn't have a fucking clue about electronics, computers, or engineering.
today's hot issue is the environment and global warming and whadaya fucking know, here's al gore preaching the gospel. Al gore and other hypocritical politicians need to be lobotomized so they stop putting the world in the gutter at breakneck speeds.
You are clearly a retard. Please fuck off.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
No, actually you can sign up for "green power" programs from most power companies. This is basically wind and/or hydroelectric. You pay more, but all the power you use is produced by these means. He buys carbon credits for other shit...not his home power.
Signing up for green power doesn't mean that you'll get green power. It means someone will get green power. In Ontario, the supply mix (as of 2003) is
Water power - 23.5%
Alternative* - 0.7%
Nuclear - 38.5%
Natural Gas - 8.4%
Coal / Oil - 28.9%
This is the power supply mix that everyone uses. A company called Ontario Energy Savings (OES),as well as other companies are offering green power. OES does so by selling units. Each unit of green power (purchased at $4/month each) contributes 20% of the national average usage of kilowatt hours for a household in a year. So $4/month would contribute 2,000 kwh a month to the mix, not necessarily you.
If you were to buy 3 units (6000 kilowatt hours), the estimated new numbers would be
Water power (large-scale) - 1.5%
Water power (low-impact) - 60%
Alternative* - 0.4%
Nuclear - 35.1%
Natural Gas - 0.7%
Coal / Oil - 2.3%
While Al Gore may not use green power himself, he is at least supporting it (according to MOST sources at least).
Edit : Afterthought : Anyone who tells you they use only green power that still buys it from the utility (ie still buys it and doesn't make it themselves) is either full of shit, or misinformed. The company selling you the green power would have to connect new lines to your house if you were to get the green power. At least you're making a difference, though.
* Alternative is bought from solar, wind, and other sources (including the USA).
Real.PUA
2007-07-09, 00:34
Electricity is 100% fungible, so it doesn't matter at all where it is generated.
Electricity is 100% fungible, so it doesn't matter at all where it is generated.
When it comes to pollution, it does. Burning natural gas to create electricity pollutes a lot more than solar energy does.
Real.PUA
2007-07-09, 03:04
When it comes to pollution, it does. Burning natural gas to create electricity pollutes a lot more than solar energy does.
I meant as far as being in the green power plan. The energy produced by green methods and conventional methods is equivalent, so there is no reason to distinguish where the particular energy that powered you light bulb came from. You payed for green power and that's what counts.
I meant as far as being in the green power plan. The energy produced by green methods and conventional methods is equivalent, so there is no reason to distinguish where the particular energy that powered you light bulb came from. You payed for green power and that's what counts.
I see what you mean now. I thought you meant something else, just the way I read it.
If people are contributing, that's a good thing in itself. Unfortunately the solar power generators being built in Sarnia, ON is about 42.3 cents a kilowatt hour.... it costs a lot to set up the green.
Issue313
2007-07-09, 07:31
In the end people on "left" and "right" want the same things, - a high quality of life, a great environment, and common sense and decency in government. You need to realise that people like al-Gore and the Bush clan of the desert oil wells want to factionalise people, get them fighting, so they can make out like thieves while the planet goes to hell.
The ultimate goal of global warming is an international tax on "carbon usage", which will be run, as always, by wealthy interests out of New York, London and Tokyo. No matter what happens, the rich will get richer, while the rest of us will get poorer. I'm fed up of it - we need to stop supporting people like al-Gore and other elite leaders and give power to the people who we can trust!
gogetalife13579
2007-07-10, 17:27
Who the fuck cares......everyone knows Gore is a liar and a jackass.
WTF? Where did you get the conception that Gore is anything more then a businessman?
WTF? Where did you get the conception that Gore is anything more then a businessman?
I've said this for a while now. I sell green power and everything, and I really don't believe in it (in the way we're selling it anyways). A good salesman can fake interest in something to gain revenue off it.
Sanguinans
2007-07-30, 09:26
it doesn't matter if al gore stomps on baby kittens and burns down orphanages
If he did then he might have become the president :D
rest of the post made a good point though.
vazilizaitsev89
2007-08-09, 17:56
if an alcoholic tells you to stop drinking alcohol, are you? probably not. Most people don't listen to hypocrites.
SomeLowLife
2007-08-22, 23:07
if an alcoholic tells you to stop drinking alcohol, are you? probably not. Most people don't listen to hypocrites.
Hence Alcoholics Anonymous.