View Full Version : Global warming: Who cares?
Glasgowsweeman
2007-08-30, 17:21
When I first heard of this, I was like loads of other people, shocked and thinking 'omg gotta save teh planet lulz just like the gov tells me'.
Then I hear that it is caused by humans and has not happened for 15'000 years.
Woah!
Slow down there. What you saying, Fred Flintstone and his stone car were behind it?
Also, is it not necessary for the ice caps to melt to end the last FUCKING ICE AGE?
Sea levels may rise, making some places uninhabitable.
However, more places will become inhabitable.
Furhtermore, if this happened 15'000 years ago, and our ancestors, just crawling out of their caves survived this on a bigger scale (the ice age nearly ended), then WE, with tech will be fine!
I rest my case!
Slave of the Beast
2007-08-30, 21:55
Also, is it not necessary for the ice caps to melt to end the last FUCKING ICE AGE?
Complete melting and substantial shrinking are very different things.
Sea levels may rise, making some places uninhabitable.
Sea levels have been rising for several thousand years, and still are. "Some places" include many major urban centres around the globe.
However, more places will become inhabitable.
Where, exactly?
Furhtermore, if this happened 15'000 years ago, and our ancestors, just crawling out of their caves survived this on a bigger scale (the ice age nearly ended), then WE, with tech will be fine!
We, unlike nomadic tribesmen, have these huge things called 'cities'. Which, unlike nomadic tribesmen, cannot fucking move.
deus-redux
2007-08-31, 11:28
We, unlike nomadic tribesmen, have these huge things called 'cities'. Which, unlike nomadic tribesmen, cannot fucking move.
Quoted for hilarity. And truth.
Although feel free to do the whole nomad-tribesman thing. Just not in my garden.
-deus-
rabbitweed
2007-09-06, 19:55
We, unlike nomadic tribesmen, have these huge things called 'cities'. Which, unlike nomadic tribesmen, cannot fucking move.
So what you're basically saying is gypsies will rule the world!?
Slave of the Beast
2007-09-07, 02:39
So what you're basically saying is gypsies will rule the world!?
Yes, yes I think that must be exactly what I'm saying.
dead_people_killer
2007-09-10, 23:52
I love how people like Al Gore make a big fuss over CO2, especially when it accounts for less than 1% of total global warming.
Water vapor in the atmosphere causes 300 times more warming than CO2 does, but since its mostly caused by nature, there isnt a damn thing that can be done about it.
I guess when the leaders of the world got together to talk about global warming, they couldn't vote to do nothing, so they voted to reduce the GW gas that they COULD actually reduce, even though the human contribution of CO2 is so insignificant that we could basically continue doing exactly what we want and have next to Zero impact.
I'll probably get a lot of shit about this post, but considering that the absolute top scientists in the field say what I say, I could care less what these alarmists say anyway.
I love how people like Al Gore make a big fuss over CO2, especially when it accounts for less than 1% of total global warming.
Water vapor in the atmosphere causes 300 times more warming than CO2 does, but since its mostly caused by nature, there isnt a damn thing that can be done about it.
I guess when the leaders of the world got together to talk about global warming, they couldn't vote to do nothing, so they voted to reduce the GW gas that they COULD actually reduce, even though the human contribution of CO2 is so insignificant that we could basically continue doing exactly what we want and have next to Zero impact.
I'll probably get a lot of shit about this post, but considering that the absolute top scientists in the field say what I say, I could care less what these alarmists say anyway.
Where are your sources on this? Not that I'm trying to disprove you or anything, it's just I myself am having trouble coming up with credible proof when I argue that we humans don't contribute as much as we're told we do...
Slave of the Beast
2007-09-14, 11:56
...but considering that the absolute top scientists in the field say what I say, I could care less what these alarmists say anyway.
Names, quotes, references...?
Dark_Magneto
2007-09-21, 22:19
...and funding.
i found this site a fewdays ago but couldn't find anywhere to put it. This thread seems the closest match
It allows you to select sea level rises and see on Google maps what the effects will be.
http://flood.firetree.net/
Slave of the Beast
2007-09-22, 07:41
http://flood.firetree.net/
Nice link. Resolution isn't too great though, some areas get flooded without appearing to be in contact with the sea. Unless that's a reflection of a rise in the water table.
It would be interesting to see one of the highly detailed flood maps insurance companies use.
Nobody cares about the UK.
i found this site a fewdays ago but couldn't find anywhere to put it. This thread seems the closest match
It allows you to select sea level rises and see on Google maps what the effects will be.
http://flood.firetree.net/
Fuck ya I get waterfront property!
ArmsMerchant
2007-11-21, 19:56
Some of the people suffering the most from catastrophic global climate change (which as a phrase isn't as sexy as "global warming", but is a damn sight more accurate) are Alaska Natives. Numerous coastal villages, which had been protected by ice sheets (which are now melting) for hundreds of years are literally being washed away.
And has anyone else noticed the huge increase in wildfires, floods, droughts, and so on?
And has anyone else noticed the huge increase in wildfires, floods, droughts, and so on?
Not really. But I've noticed increased media attention to such events.
I care so much I bought this t-shirt.
http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a841/a841_bm.gif
http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=841
StealthyRacoons
2007-11-25, 03:16
Well Im from new england where the hell is the global warming for us its fucking 19F where i am now. Honestly there maybe some but i think they are exaggerating our part a bit. Shit in the 70's the same scientists where saying where gonna go into an ice age. A large part of it is the cycle of the sun.
moonmeister
2007-11-25, 03:21
It'll work out good for such people as say a young Scot who'd look lovely in uniform carrying his gun & shooting food rioters. He wouldn't mind, as after a long day of the shooting, the girls love a sweaty young uniform for their sweety.
Silverwolf69
2007-11-27, 02:22
Names, quotes, references...?
Take a look at the documentary “The Great Global Warming Swindle”, I haven't seen it myself but I understand that it has many credible scientists giving evidence. And here's a quote “increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena” - Claude Allegre, a leading French scientist.
Honestly, I think all this is bullshit, people are trying to change and reduce emissions etc etc when I think it makes more sense to ready ourselves for a zombie apocalypse (which is about to happen so get yourselves ready!! OMG our doom is here!!! ;):p)
Dark_Magneto
2007-11-27, 09:18
What would be that scientists field of expertise, and when was the last time he received money from big fossil fuel corporations?
moonmeister
2007-11-27, 09:58
What gets me isn't the folks who say that Mankind has little or nothing to do with Global Warming. It's those who say that there is no GW going on at all.
What gets me isn't the folks who say that Mankind has little or nothing to do with Global Warming. It's those who say that there is no GW going on at all.
You've gotto understand that global warming is a buzzword. The definition of global warming is how people use it, so global warming ultimately refers to how mankind is gonna make this planet unliveable within 200 years. Thus when people say it's not going on at all, what they perhaps mean with this, is the planet's still gonna be liveable for the next 10k+ years no matter what we do with the problems accociated with global warming today (such as oil).
moonmeister
2007-11-27, 10:23
You've gotto understand that global warming is a buzzword. The definition of global warming is how people use it, so global warming ultimately refers to how mankind is gonna make this planet unliveable within 200 years. Thus when people say it's not going on at all, what they perhaps mean with this, is the planet's still gonna be liveable for the next 10k+ years no matter what we do with the problems accociated with global warming today (such as oil).
Are you associating the GW naysayers with those folks who tend to deny other things cold? Eg: "Nope. 'X' is not going on. Nothing to see here. Nothing to discuss. No subject here. Move along. Nope! Nothing!"
"But...?"
"NO! Nothing!"
Are you associating the GW naysayers with those folks who tend to deny other things cold? Eg: "Nope. 'X' is not going on. Nothing to see here. Nothing to discuss. No subject here. Move along. Nope! Nothing!"
"But...?"
"NO! Nothing!"
Nope, but it seems like you are. However no one sane is denying it in that way.
I love how people like Al Gore make a big fuss over CO2, especially when it accounts for less than 1% of total global warming.
Water vapor in the atmosphere causes 300 times more warming than CO2 does, but since its mostly caused by nature, there isnt a damn thing that can be done about it.
I guess when the leaders of the world got together to talk about global warming, they couldn't vote to do nothing, so they voted to reduce the GW gas that they COULD actually reduce, even though the human contribution of CO2 is so insignificant that we could basically continue doing exactly what we want and have next to Zero impact.
I'll probably get a lot of shit about this post, but considering that the absolute top scientists in the field say what I say, I could care less what these alarmists say anyway.
just because water vapor contributes to the "greenhouse effect" doesn't mean that mankind does not contribute to and impact modern global climate change. l2logic.
your first sentence is a strawman. learn what climatologists are saying, not what newspapers and magazines dramaticize for a headline or cover.
Even though you are a rangers supporter, I wholeheartedly agree - It's bullshit and I thoroughly hate it.
Fuckin' green parties. GTFO!!!:mad::mad::mad:
moonmeister
2007-12-02, 23:06
Nope, but it seems like you are. However no one sane is denying it in that way.
Though it isn't quite so PC to talk as if no warming occurs at all. I still see articles...a recent one from NASA & other such high places too. Are you saying you never see big & serious folks deny it all?
ChickenOfDoom
2007-12-02, 23:42
Why care if the people think there's global warming and want to do something about it? Seriously, how is the counter-globalwarming movement any less contrived and arrogant than the global warming movement itself? Have you actually seen the things people use to come to whatever conclusions or do you just decide you want to/don't want to believe in it and look for 'proof'?
ITT prepackaged opinions
Prometheus
2007-12-09, 22:45
For the sake of arguement, let's say that water vapor does cause more global warming than CO2.
Let's make an analogy. Let's say you make $12,000 a year.
You spend about 1/3 on taxes, leaving $8,000.
Say, $450/month rent, leaving you $2,600.
Maybe $100/month for food (if you're frugal), leaving $1,400.
etc...
etc...
My point, by the time it's all worked out, if you get mugged for $40, 1/300 of what you make, it still hurts.
We need a certian amount of greenhouse effect to keep life going on this planet. Tip it too far, and we're boned.