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grayboy
2008-03-20, 17:32
Nor is the poster animal for warming warnings that drive children to tears and his kind in danger of perishing anytime soon.

Funny thing about ice: It melts in summer and thickens in winter. And according to Gilles Kangis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice service in Ottawa, this Arctic winter has been so severe that the continent's allegedly vanishing ice is 10 to 20 centimeters thicker than it was at this time a year ago.

Recent satellite images, moreover, show the polar ice cap is at near-normal coverage levels, according to Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

This winter has been particularly severe. The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reports that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. The average temperature in January "was 0.3 (degrees) F cooler than the 1901-2000 average," the NCDC says.

Ontario and Quebec have experienced major snow and ice storms. In the first two weeks of February, as Canada's National Post reports, Toronto got 79 centimeters of snow, "smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950."

This is a consequence of what we recently commented on: The sun, the greatest influence on earth's climate, seems to be entering an unusually quiet cycle of limited sunspot activity. As Kenneth Tapping of Canada's National Research Council warns, we may be in for severely cold weather if sunspot activity doesn't pick up.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." The last time the sun was this quiet, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age, which lasted five centuries and ended in 1850. The winter at Valley Forge, a famous part of history, occurred during this period.

It's a good time, therefore, for some of the best climate scientists in the world to be gathering in New York City — setting for the Al Gore-promoted doomsday flick "The Day After Tomorrow" — for the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change hosted by the Heartland Institute.

More than 550 climate scientists, economists and public policy experts are at March 2-4 event, their very presence shattering Gore's myth of a warming "consensus" and a debate that is over. Yet because of the media's embrace of Gore's crusade, this may be one of the few places you read about the conference.

The keynoter, Dr. Patrick Michaels of the Cato Institute and the University of Virginia, debunked claims of "unprecedented" melting of Arctic ice. He showed how Arctic temperatures were warmer during the 1930s and that the vast majority of Antarctica is cooling.

Trousersnake
2008-03-22, 10:26
*Blank Stare*

...What?

Slave of the Beast
2008-03-22, 15:22
I once argued with Real.PUA over a very similar point. Eventually the discussion boiled down to him bleating on about scientific consensus, I tried pointing out this was a demonstrably flawed ad populum, but he wasn't having it.

I hope you have more success than I did.

siegmeow
2008-03-26, 05:25
bumb for great justice. I agree man the theory is thinly veilled horseshit bumped up by egotistical cocks.

Comrade
2008-03-26, 16:02
Fuck you all.

Real.PUA
2008-03-29, 02:11
I once argued with Real.PUA over a very similar point. Eventually the discussion boiled down to him bleating on about scientific consensus, I tried pointing out this was a demonstrably flawed ad populum, but he wasn't having it.

I hope you have more success than I did.

The fact that there is a scientific consensus on the matter isn't what makes it true. There is tons of published evidence in support of the theory, and that's why there is a scientific consensus.

It seems the OP is actually arguing that there is no warming trend at all. He thinks pointing out one cold year somehow changes the trend line. I am not sure if you ever argued that, because it seems pretty ridiculous to me. There are many independent measures of global temperature and they all seem to show a warming trend. That doesn't mean there can't be any cold years.

As for the antarctic ice sheet, recent (published) data shows that ice losses are speeding up, for example a 75% increase in ice loss in 2006 compared to 1996. Some parts of the ice sheet are growing, but the edges are apparently shrinking at a faster rate. This is fairly debated topic though, but that's mainly looking at the effects of global warming and not the theory itself.

Global warming basically states that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that the massive increase in atmospheric CO2 levels from human activity will lead to a warmer earth. It's a very basic theory based on quantum mechanics and chemistry. I don't see where there is much room for objection on that front. I accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, so I believe that it could influence the climate as the theory goes. I also trust that all the measures of atmospheric CO2 that show that it is increasing are accurate are correlate well with the amount of fossil fuels combusted (which I accept releases CO2).

Real.PUA
2008-03-29, 02:20
An article that clearly showing that we are in a warming trend and that the daily extremes of temperature are changing as well (they looked at data from 1950 to present):

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2006JD008091.shtml

An article on rising sea levels:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1154580v1

One article supports the notion that glaciers may have increased in size during a period warmer that our current:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/319/5860/189

Here's the article with strong evidence that our glaciers are receding at an accelerating rate (a debated topic though):

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n2/abs/ngeo102.html

Notice that these are all peer reviewed publications vs statements from George W Bush.