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RAOVQ
2008-08-06, 12:13
I just had a very interesting lecture from the head of one the water companies research divisions, and it makes me hate the small minded fucking idiots that populate this country.

As with many countries, australia has big problems with it's water supply. There is either not enough of it, or it's in the wrong place. Since most governments ignore any kind of planning for the future, the water people are scrambling to make sure we don't all die of dehydration in the next decade.

The govt has placed a law (or whatever) in act, which dictates that over 20% of our waste water needs to be recycled. The obvious solution is to re-process grey and black water. This is water that has been used for domestic purposes. Most people here don't like this idea. With their heads so far up their arses, they think that once water has been in a toilet or a shower it is forever contaminated and needs to be sealed underground like spent radioactive fuel rods. The idea that the same water has (more or less) being floating around for millions of years doesn't really occur to them, nor the reality that if we can remove salt from seawater, we can remove dirt from waste water.

But people are fucking morons, and without any thought they dismiss the idea of recycling this water. They have some retarded idea that the toilet is going to be hooked up to the sink, and refuse to do any critical thinking or research.

We have this law in place though, 20% needs to be recycled. It would be political suicide to just reprocess the water, so they have come up with a system:

At the moment, water is process at sewage plants as a matter of routine. It is cleaned and made safe, but not safe enough to drink. Its pumped out to sea or whatever.
The new idea is to further this process, and make the water cleaner. Remove salts and any extra dissolved organic material that happens to be around. It is then pumped underground, into the groundwater supply. Note, this water is already cleaner than the groundwater.

We get about 20% of our water from the water table. The water is pumped in, and then travels along to a pump, and is pumped out. The water spends decades in the water table before it is pumped out again due to the distance it has to travel.

This pumped out water, now more dirty from being in the ground for so many years is then cleaned using current methods.

This pisses me off. People are fine with the idea of drinking water that has travelled through an aquifer, but won't touch it if the water is recycled instantly.
How much money is being wasted to keep the small minded idiots happy? gigalitres of water is being pumped in and out of the ground to give the impression that it's safe to drink.
Also, it is placating the population. The water we are pumping into the ground is CLEANER than what we are pumping out. there are less dissolved impurities, and all pathogens have been removed. This is essentially saying "we can't clean the water as well as nature, your right to not want to directly recycle this".

Fucking people.

disobey_the_norm
2008-08-11, 07:19
I think the water issue has been...to be a smartarse, blown out of the water :p

There are plenty of solutions in my opinion, it's just how you use it.

You can cart it in trucks, you can manage your use properly, you can reuse it, you can harvest it when it does rain with dams and rainwater tanks, you can desalinate salty water, you can put in bores and take groundwater and you can act smart about how to preserve it (don't let it evaporate and don't waste it).

I've never encountered MAJOR problems with water EXCEPT I hate how water restrictions are introduced when they have seen shit creek in the distance but scrap the strategies as soon as it rains. Wouldn't it be wiser to have ongoing water restrictions to minimise how much people are using all the time?

Big players (commerical and industry) are seen as the bad guys although people want their service, product and employment but don't want them to use the water that they need.

Nice post, got me thinking. :)

fretbuzz
2008-08-11, 21:34
Where I currently live there's all this talk about drought and water reserves dropping to shocking levels yet the fucking developers keep building new housing developments in these areas. It's happening everywhere.

If this is to continue people need to learn how to conserve water. On a cruising sailboat having roughly only 40 gallons of water to use for a month or 2 while crossing an ocean really forces you to change your showering and dish washing habits to conserve drinking water. When it rains, you don't waste a drop and shower on deck while filling up water containers using spare sails to funnel in a larger surface area. Need a shower when it's not raining? Dive over the stern to get yourself wet, soap yourself up, dive back in to rinse off, then rinse off again on deck with freshwater. You should only have to use a half-gallon at most. Need to wash dishes? Put them all in a net and throw them over the side for the night, let the sea-life do your cleaning for you. The next morning rinse off the salt.

Unfortunately modern cruising yachties are becoming spoiled by installing cheap, reliable desalination systems on their boats. Just add a few solar panels and a wind generator to power it and you'll have all the water you want.

Issue313
2008-08-11, 22:05
Ireland's the wettest, soggiest piece of shit ever to crop out of an ocean, so my view might contrast to that of you desert dwellers, but it sounds like a good idea. I don't like the idea of drinking water that has had bleach and every sort of crap added to it. Maybe use it for plants.

SLP
2008-08-17, 12:59
There is still no way to remove 100% of all viruses. I agree that there are uses for wastewater though. Plants are not going to get sick from human viruses. Even for growing crops.

mayor of monkey town
2008-08-17, 14:13
Yeah australians have squandered our water for far too long.

The concept of 'virtual water' was introduced to me last year - its the idea of measuring the amount of water needed to grow whatever your eating/using and considering what your doing with that.
Australia has a huge export of agriculture, so were effectively exporting water - not something the driest continent on earth can afford to do forever.

If president Krud or any of the state governments would start giving out water tanks like crazy and dropping some bigger rebates on grey water cycling systems the water problem could be solved.

Look at what the water restrictions are - no hosing hard surfaces, or watering the garden unless its a sunday or whatever.
If we can get people watering the garden with (filtered) grey water from the shower, dishwasher and tankwater from storm runoff then were going to have FUCKLOAD more in the dams all year long.

SLP
2008-08-18, 06:36
Another thing I have been thinking about with grey water is that it will get back in the dams. Just like how the middle of the Amazon gets rain - the water doesn't come from the oceans, it comes from transpiration. Grey water will evaporate off gardens and driveways then create more clouds which will fill up the dams. The water in the clouds is very clean.

Mellow_Fellow
2008-08-22, 18:28
Hell yeh, I certainly noticed this in Australia, n heard about it! Considering Aus has pretty much maxed out it's population considering the resources available (well, the water available, really...) and assuming things aren't going to miraculously improve in the next few years (which I doubt they will, judging by gardens in Victoria lol...) it seems crazily ridiculous not to recycle water.

The U.K. may have a shortage of some things, but water is not one of them, and yet we still recycle water. People moan about "teh tap waterz" over here, but it's way nicer (well, in my area anyway, London water's a bit more grime) than in parts of France, and everywhere I tasted it in Australia apart from Tasmania. People just shouldn't have a choice in the matter tbh - I guess on some issues i'm a bit of an eco nazi; if they don't want to drink recycled tap water, then get a rain filter or something and drink fresh clean water (with traces of dinosaur shit in it) like it's meant to be. Seems fucking dumb to prevent water recycling on a mass scale, especially with toilet/shower water, when technology can easily filter out and sanitise things.

Tbh I thought Australia was generally wasteful, even compared to England, with no real recycling plans outside the big cities and just a general lack of knowing/caring about environmental issues. I didn't get too fussed about it, I mean whatever, it's not my country, but it seems rather strange to assume the current economic boom will last for ever... especially when parts of the country are turning to desert. I think you're right to be concerned, mate!

That said, I found it interesting that out in the red centre water levels have actually increased in the past 50 years, and more stuff is growing... :cool:

mayor of monkey town
2008-08-25, 15:22
Water tanks were commonplace until the 60s when they were declared a public health risk, as giant tanks of stagnant water at every house on the street can be considered to be.

But the tech is alot better these days, but we cant get decent investment in green tech from the government over here.

They talk about it, and if you have a proposal pending they'll come do a photo op but still deny you funding.