Shonne Greene for Heisman!!!! [Archive]

precoso655321

2008-11-12, 17:11

obviously you don't follow college football . . .

Obviously you have a bias. Shonn Greene is no doubt a force to be reckoned with in the back position, but '08 Heisman? Eh, nahh. For one, it's notoriously biased towards the mvp QBs (which there isn't exactly a shortage of this season.)

You also have to realize Greene, Ringer, and a lot of the other top backs in stats have nearly twice the attempts as others. Since I'm a 'Bama/SEC fan I'll use GA's Moreno and Bama's Glen Coffee for examples. Moreno (1st of 4 in depth) has 1113 yards with an avg of 5.9 a carry and 15 TDs, with only 188 attempts. Coffee (1st of 3 in depth) has 1020 total with an avg of 6.3 a carry and 8 TDs, but only has 162 attempts. Coffee's TDs and attempts are below the others because Alabama utilizes a system that constantly rotates between their workhorses Coffee and Ingram. Also, up until the game in Death Valley, their other back Upchurch would get around the same attempts as the previously stated.

What it all really comes down to is skill. You can not say that Greene is a better back than say, Moreno, no matter what stats say.
Think about it like this: could Greene make some of Moreno's plays? Nah.

Here's the stats for you
att. total avg. TD
Javon Ringer 353 1548 4.4 20

Shonn Greene 226 1374 6.1 13

Knowshon Moreno 188 1113 5.9 15

Glen Coffee 162 1020 6.3 8

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-12, 17:34

Obviously you have a bias. Shonn Greene is no doubt a force to be reckoned with in the back position, but '08 Heisman? Eh, nahh. For one, it's notoriously biased towards the mvp QBs (which there isn't exactly a shortage of this season.)

You also have to realize Greene, Ringer, and a lot of the other top backs in stats have nearly twice the attempts as others. Since I'm a 'Bama/SEC fan I'll use GA's Moreno and Bama's Glen Coffee for examples. Moreno (1st of 4 in depth) has 1113 yards with an avg of 5.9 a carry and 15 TDs, with only 188 attempts. Coffee (1st of 3 in depth) has 1020 total with an avg of 6.3 a carry and 8 TDs, but only has 162 attempts. Coffee's TDs and attempts are below the others because Alabama utilizes a system that constantly rotates between their workhorses Coffee and Ingram. Also, up until the game in Death Valley, their other back Upchurch would get around the same attempts as the previously stated.

What it all really comes down to is skill. You can not say that Greene is a better back than say, Moreno, no matter what stats say.
Think about it like this: could Greene make some of Moreno's plays? Nah.

Here's the stats for you
att. total avg. TD
Javon Ringer 353 1548 4.4 20

Shonn Greene 226 1374 6.1 13

Knowshon Moreno 188 1113 5.9 15

Glen Coffee 162 1020 6.3 8

I never said that Greene would win, but if it is awarded to any running back, which it won't be, it should be him. He is the best running back in college football this year.

As for the stats don't forget that MSU has a game against #8PSU and then has a bye week. Iowa plays a terrible Purdue team and then a Minnesota team that's been imploding for awhile so when it's all said and done I would expect Greene's totals to eclipse Ringer's.

You say it comes down to skill and that he can't make the same plays as Moreno. Well maybe not, but I'm sure Greene has laid out countless defenders that would have put Moreno on the ground. And don't think that Greene is just some tank running over people either because he can fly.

alexander224

2008-11-13, 03:48

For one, it's notoriously biased towards the mvp QBs (which there isn't exactly a shortage of this season.)

Fucking this. Its either going to be Colt McCoy, Grahm Harrell, or Michael Crabtree(which I doubt).

precoso655321

2008-11-13, 19:37

I never said that Greene would win, but if it is awarded to any running back, which it won't be, it should be him. He is the best running back in college football this year.

As for the stats don't forget that MSU has a game against #8PSU and then has a bye week. Iowa plays a terrible Purdue team and then a Minnesota team that's been imploding for awhile so when it's all said and done I would expect Greene's totals to eclipse Ringer's.

I think you may have missed my point. I'm saying that because of the conference, and the fact that Greene is basically the only majorly active back at Iowa, he has been able to do nearly all the running and just stack on stats. Moreno and Coffee and other backs spread their plays among 2-3 other backs in each game, which causes them to have less attempts which leads to lower numbers. Greene is a good player but aside from the stats he just doesn't really stand out like others. Moreno has his immense athletic ability and natural talent for running the ball, Coffee of Bama is one of the most consistent and complete backs despite sharing the running duties.

You say it comes down to skill and that he can't make the same plays as Moreno. Well maybe not, but I'm sure Greene has laid out countless defenders that would have put Moreno on the ground. And don't think that Greene is just some tank running over people either because he can fly.

Uh, have you actually seen Moreno's games? The man is a sophmore and can break 4 tackles straight up the middle then fly off like a villian and they're all just Christopher Reeve. I never doubted Greene's skill (infact, I even said he was a great back in my first post), but Knowshon surpasses him in all the important traits of a running back: he can find creases and openings, stiff-arm defenders, hurdle would-be defenders, run through players to get those amazing yards after catch and stretch the play like few others could, and he can just flat out stick and juke.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-13, 20:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWZwH9VVJU

Fuck Knowshon Moreno. I take Greene over him any day for my team. Greene is the best back in college football and it's not even close. Check out Moreno's highlights. He looks like a little kid by comparison and I don't even think anyone's bothered to put together a highlight tape of Coffee. . .

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-15, 20:19

Thanks for sucking dick and giving me a heart attack. Shonn Greene went for 200 though motherfuckers!!!!!!!!

Javon Ringer is wack. Let's compare their stats:

.........................Shonn Greene............Javon Ringer
Attempts:.................256..................... ........353
Yards:.....................1585................... ........1548
Average YPC:............6.2.............................4. 4
Long:........................75................... ...........64
TD:...........................15.................. ............20
TD avg:.............1 per 17 touches............1 per 17.65

SAME OPPONENTS:
.................................Shonn Greene......................Javon Ringer
Northwestern:...... 21 carries 159 yds 1 TD..........35 carries 124 yds 2 TD
Indiana:...............23 carries 115 yds 1 TD..........44 carries 198 yds 1 TD
Wisconsin:............25 carries 217 yds 4 TD..........21 carries 54 yds 2 TD
Purdue:................30 carries 211 yds 2 TD..........32 carries 121 yds 2 TD

Totals:..............99 carries 702 yds 8 TD......132 carries 497 yds 7 TD

HEAD TO HEAD:
Shonn Greene: 30 carries 157 yds 0 TD ... 5.2 yd avg
Javon Ringer: 25 carries 91 yds 0 TD ....... 3.6 yd avg

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-23, 00:16

Javon Ringer just ended the season with a 41 yard performance. The Iowa game just started.

Man I'm a little worried. How is Shonn Greene going to go for over 100 if we keep throwing touchdown passes everytime. :)

Minnesota is getting beaten down so bad. This makes it really depressing that we dropped those 4 games. This could have been our year.

That being said Shonn Greene is now the leading rusher in the history of Iowa. He went for over 100 yards every single game this season. He is a lock for first team all big 10 and I don't see how he is not also a lock for 1st team AA. Fuck y'all. Shonn Greene 4 heisman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a little off topic but Ricky Stanzi is looking fucking good right now. If only we had had out qb situation figured out when the season started.

ROFL 55-0 4th quarter just started.

22 carries 144 yds. Didn't even play the final quarter.

HELLO TAMPA, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!

Mort2008

2008-11-24, 22:06

T-bow.

Srlsy.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-24, 22:26

T-bow.

Srlsy.

GTFO assface. There is nothing Heisman about Tebow's performance this year. It's like he just gets an automatic bid to the top 5 just for the hell of it. :mad:

Mort2008

2008-11-24, 23:22

GTFO assface. There is nothing Heisman about Tebow's performance this year. It's like he just gets an automatic bid to the top 5 just for the hell of it. :mad:

Don't hate him just because he plays in a cannibalistic conference.

Or the fact that he has other playmakers this year, wait until after the FSU and Bama games, before you pass judgment.

Mort2008

2008-11-24, 23:44

Fuck yes motherfucker. Just took out the number 3 team in the country. He's a fucking beast. Best.Running.Back.In.The.Nation. 10 straight 100+ yard games motherfuckers.

When you play a bunch of mid to low skill-level schools don't expect me to be too impressed when your are 7+ yards avg.
att yards td AVG
FIU
Shonn Greene (0) 13 130 1 10.0
Purdue
Shonn Greene (0) 30 211 2 7.0
Northwestern
Shonn Greene (0) 21 159 1 7.6
Wisconsin
Shonn Greene (0) 25 217 4 8.7

When you do play some tougher schools...seems the yardage slips.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-24, 23:55

When you play a bunch of mid to low skill-level schools don't expect me to be too impressed when your are 7+ yards avg.
att yards td AVG
FIU
Shonn Greene (0) 13 130 1 10.0
Purdue
Shonn Greene (0) 30 211 2 7.0
Northwestern
Shonn Greene (0) 21 159 1 7.6
Wisconsin
Shonn Greene (0) 25 217 4 8.7

When you do play some tougher schools...seems the yardage slips.

Fuck you, fatboy.

maine 22 109 5.0 1
fiu 13 130 10.0 1
isu 20 120 6.0 1
Pitt 23 147 6.4 1
NU 21 159 7.6 1
msu 30 157 5.2 0
IU 23 115 5.0 1
Wisconsin 25 217 8.7 4
Illinois 21 103 4.9 1
Penn St. 28 117 4.2 2
Purdue 30 211 7.0 2
Minnesota 22 144 6.5 2

the stats speak for themselves and if we play the overrated floriduh gaytors he'll run all over you too. And we'll make Tebow look like a bitch the same way we did with Chris Leak.

Mort2008

2008-11-25, 00:29

the stats speak for themselves and if we play the overrated floriduh gaytors he'll run all over you too. And we'll make Tebow look like a bitch the same way we did with Chris Leak.

The stats don't speak for themselves when you play a bunch of fucking posers.

Join a real conference pls.

Dead1Head

2008-11-25, 00:42

I'll take a healthy Beanie Wells or Royster over him. And lawl, Florida would whoop Iowa by 20+

Just from the B10, I mean.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-25, 00:50

I'll take a healthy Beanie Wells or Royster over him. And lawl, Florida would whoop Iowa by 20+

Just from the B10, I mean.

WTF!!!!!! What is wrong with you people. Greene outperformed royster and wells by huge margins. He's the number one back in the country and you would take backs that didn't even make first team in their conference over him? Fuck I hate you people.

First team all b10, b10 offensive player of the year, front runner for the Doak Walker, and has a high chance of being in New York at the Heisman ceremony. The only answer is that you're stupid. Especially since Greene outperformed Royster head to head when Penn State was supposed to be far better than Iowa.

edit: FUCK

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-25, 00:57

The stats don't speak for themselves when you play a bunch of fucking posers.

Join a real conference pls.

Big 10 football! Ever heard of it, motherfucker?

Mort2008

2008-11-25, 01:19

Big 10 football! Ever heard of it, motherfucker?

Hmmm I vaguely remember the best team from the Big 10 that keeps getting ASSRAMMED by SEC teams at the big show. Nah never heard of it.

precoso655321

2008-11-25, 01:57

Hmmm I vaguely remember the best team from the Big 10 that keeps getting ASSRAMMED by SEC teams at the big show. Nah never heard of it.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Take the autographed Greene douche out of you. You're obviously blinded by your love for a good back (notice I'm still giving credit where credit is due) in a lackluster conference.
All the good football teams (you know, the ones with difficult schedules) would own Greene with their rush defense and if you honestly think one back (Greene) would be able to run wild against SEC or Big12 d then lay down that crack and join us in reality.
As far as the whole Heisman shit goes, Greene flat out doesn't deserve it with the caliber of other players with their names in the hat. Sorry, but it's true. If there weren't any other playmakers out there getting shit done against tougher opponents, then sure.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-25, 02:57

You guys have a really short memory. This year is the worst I have ever seen the b10 and They're still the 4th best conference in the country at worst. Big 10 has more winning tradition than the SEC will ever have. Give it a couple years and you'll be sucking my cock. Also We're gonna beat the shit out of Missouri or Nebraska or S. Carolina or Georgia or whoever they put us against. Guaranteed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/PROJECT_PAT/040101_0241.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/PROJECT_PAT/040101_0310.jpg

Mort2008

2008-11-25, 03:27

You guys have a really short memory. This year is the worst I have ever seen the b10 and They're still the 4th best conference in the country at worst. Big 10 has more winning tradition than the SEC will ever have. Give it a couple years and you'll be sucking my cock. Also We're gonna beat the shit out of Missouri or Nebraska or S. Carolina or Georgia or whoever they put us against. Guaranteed.

Nostradamus, we don't give a fuck about the future.

We are talking right now, before the buckeyes can correct the current downward spiral by buying more 5 rated highschoolers.

4th best conference sucks, when all the talent is concentrated in 1-2 conferences.

Anyways are you going to Tampa to watch Iowa?

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-25, 03:30

Nostradamus, we don't give a fuck about the future.

We are talking right now, before the buckeyes can correct the current downward spiral by buying more 5 rated highschoolers.

4th best conference sucks, when all the talent is concentrated in 1-2 conferences.

Anyways are you going to Tampa to watch Iowa?

Bowls haven't been announced yet but unless we get stuck with the Alamo bowl I'll be there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWZwH9VVJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWZwH9VVJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWZwH9VVJU

watch.the.highlights.

that's only the first half of the season fyi.

Mort2008

2008-11-25, 15:33

If you wanna see someone with some real NFL skills, look at Percy Harvin.

Doesn't have the stats, but look at the skills, speed, and moves.

precoso655321

2008-11-25, 19:08

If you wanna see someone with some real NFL skills, look at Percy Harvin.

Doesn't have the stats, but look at the skills, speed, and moves.

Exactly. Another player that has huge talent but has to face better defense so he can't just plow through people like he's up against some h.s. team.

If you want to see a good snowplow of a back, look at Beanie. Man got hurt and still came back to kick ass. If he hadn't got hurt Shonne Greene would be even further from the minds of anyone pondering Hesiman candidates.

As far as Heisman-candidate backs go: Harvin > Moreno > Greene > Beanie > Ringer.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-25, 20:47

Exactly. Another player that has huge talent but has to face better defense so he can't just plow through people like he's up against some h.s. team.

If you want to see a good snowplow of a back, look at Beanie. Man got hurt and still came back to kick ass. If he hadn't got hurt Shonne Greene would be even further from the minds of anyone pondering Hesiman candidates.

As far as Heisman-candidate backs go: Harvin > Moreno > Greene > Beanie > Ringer.

You realize Moreno hasn't done shit this year and absolutely no one is looking at him as a heisman candidate right? Also you realize that Greene is going to win the Doak Walker over Moreno? Ringer is not even close to being a heisman candidate, and neither is Beanie. Keep in mind Beanie, Ringer, and Greene played the same teams and Greene outperformed them by huge margins.

Mort2008

2008-11-25, 20:52

Keep in mind Beanie, Ringer, and Greene played the same teams

Same crappy teams?:D

I'm not saying Greene isn't good....I personally like him more than Beanie and Ringer.

But I'm not convinced about Moreno.

Harvin is not a traditional runningback, he's just 100% badass...it's not really fair to compare him to other RBs.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-26, 20:23

New Shonn Greene highlight video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKZP6d-WP7E

Fucking Baller. No one else in the country has skills like these. I love during the minnesota game when he accidentally takes his blocker the fuck out.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-26, 20:25

Same crappy teams?:D

Beanie and Ringer.

You would have to be literally retarded to not recognize that SG is miles ahead of both Beanie and Ringer.

Mort2008

2008-11-27, 00:48

I did say...
I'm not saying Greene isn't good....I personally like him more than Beanie and Ringer.
.

I like Greene's skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKZP6d-WP7E

But a lot of that shit the guy has a fucking hole the size of Mama Cass to run through.

See:
Almost all in the Illinois game.
Ditto for the Minnesota game.
@ 2:08 Holy shit batman, I can fit a truck in there

I like the way he fucking blasts peeps though, I will probably keep my eye out for him come fantasy draft time.

Anyways, now that I looked at your highlight vid, check out Harvin.

This isn't all from this year obviously, but the skills are undeniable. This is from 2006 when he was a WR and 2007 but the skills are undeniable..

Look into the face of god. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt68j3UjyZI)

He was 8 in 2006, fyi.

Mort2008

2008-11-27, 00:53

Dead1Head

2008-11-27, 06:25

You would have to be literally retarded to not recognize that SG is miles ahead of both Beanie and Ringer.

HAHAHAHA Shonne miles ahead of Beanie? Beanie is far and away the best back in the league.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-28, 19:29

HAHAHAHA Shonne miles ahead of Beanie? Beanie is far and away the best back in the league.

re-tard

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-28, 19:31

I did say...

I like Greene's skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKZP6d-WP7E

But a lot of that shit the guy has a fucking hole the size of Mama Cass to run through.

See:
Almost all in the Illinois game.
Ditto for the Minnesota game.
@ 2:08 Holy shit batman, I can fit a truck in there

I like the way he fucking blasts peeps though, I will probably keep my eye out for him come fantasy draft time.

Anyways, now that I looked at your highlight vid, check out Harvin.

This isn't all from this year obviously, but the skills are undeniable. This is from 2006 when he was a WR and 2007 but the skills are undeniable..

Look into the face of god. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt68j3UjyZI)

He was 8 in 2006, fyi.

Excellent highlight tape. Percy Harvin is a freak athlete, but he's no SG.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-11-28, 19:33

Florida won that game at the outback bowl right?:confused:

Actually yes, but just barely and the refs were wearing gator uniforms. We beat you bad in I think 03/04 though. I think it might have been Zook's last game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vRYakQgkI

precoso655321

2008-12-01, 01:54

Excellent highlight tape. Percy Harvin is a freak athlete, but he's no SG.

No.

re-tard

So says the pot to the kettle?

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-12-04, 22:38

Shonn Greene named AFCA first team All-American.

precoso655321

2008-12-06, 16:59

Shonn Greene named AFCA first team All-American.

Now I can whole-heartedly agree with him getting this achievement. He definitely deserves it.

Mort2008

2008-12-08, 16:50

Putting Tim Tebow back in Heisman race.

ganjaninja

2008-12-11, 05:20

the next half-back to win a heisman is going to have to run for 2000 fucking yards

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-12-12, 02:07

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/940/733025.jpg

Shonn Greene was awarded the prestigious Doak Walker tonight. It is given annually to the nations top running back.

As you all know he was not a heisman finalist. The heisman is a complete fucking joke as far as I'm concerned. It's supposed to be the best player in the country. All they did was invite the quarterbacks of the 1,2, and 3 teams respectively.

We will be playing South Carolina in the Outback bowl on New Year's Day, and although I would have preferred a ranked opponent this will be a good chance to showcase SG's skills. SC has a very strong rushing defense having held Georgia's Knowshon Moreno to something like 79 yds on 20 carries. I personally guarantee Greene gets at least 100.

Also now that the season is over it is clear that all you SEC fags have absolutely nothing to talk about. You have Alabama and Florida and that's it. Extremely weak year for the SEC.

alexander224

2008-12-13, 06:19

Has the big 12 replaced the SEC as the best conference?

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-12-13, 16:40

Has the big 12 replaced the SEC as the best conference?

Hands down. SEC isn't even second best this year.

precoso655321

2008-12-13, 19:34

Hands down. SEC isn't even second best this year.

Yes on the first, somewhat of a no on the second. SEC has to be at least tied for 2nd. SEC kinda plateaued (which is what caused most of the coaches to step down/get fired) these past few years, but this season the rebuild is starting to shape up due to what Saban did to restore Bama and what Meyer has accomplished in his career at Florida. If Richt and Miles can get back on their shit then SEC will return to what it was in the '90s.

The Great Flood of 2008

2008-12-21, 14:42

Yes on the first, somewhat of a no on the second. SEC has to be at least tied for 2nd. SEC kinda plateaued (which is what caused most of the coaches to step down/get fired) these past few years, but this season the rebuild is starting to shape up due to what Saban did to restore Bama and what Meyer has accomplished in his career at Florida. If Richt and Miles can get back on their shit then SEC will return to what it was in the '90s.

Big ten is on the way up! :mad: