Women "forget" faster than men. True or false?

[Cozy Amnesia]

By "forgetting" I mean the period of time where the broken heart mends itself. The person must forget about their old feeling with their ex until they're capable of loving again.

For the sack of consistency, lets consider only one scenario: a couple is separated and they're both equally hurt. Who will coop better, the male or the female?

In my experience, girls can move on much faster then guys can. Perhaps this is only true because girls break up relationships more than guys do, but I don't know.

[Cant Quite Tell]

I think it really matters way more on the person himself, and how soon after they have hot poon/cock waggled in front of their nose.

edit: I'm not sure how you waggle poon.

[AprenticeChemistBITCHS]

Actually it could also be due to the fact that its a lot easier for a girl to find a new guy usually then it is for a guy to find a new girl. ANY GIRL no matter how ugly can find a dude, and sometimes the butt uglys can find a decent looking guy by simply just putting out. Where as a guy needs to actually have things going for him to find a decent chick. Plus everyone knows women are really heartless cold bitchs.

But as said it really depends on the person, and what they have gone through. Being I had my heart broke a couple times by this point its like "Fuck it". Also if you look at it like peter from family guy "women are devices created by our lord jesus for our pleasure" it would be a lot easier in a break up.

[Cozy Amnesia]

Well said AP.

I should have known I wouldn't get a strait answer though.

[hooloovoo]

Who is able to move on faster depends on a number of factors- including which partner had become more emotionally invested in the relationship, which partner saw the end coming for a period of time, and often on who broke up with who.


I'd say that's obviously going to vary from relationship to relationship independent of gender. If you've picked up on a pattern within your own experience, it probably speaks more volumes about you and the relationships you are prone to creating.

[gadzooks]

Actually it could also be due to the fact that its a lot easier for a girl to find a new guy usually then it is for a guy to find a new girl. ANY GIRL no matter how ugly can find a dude, and sometimes the butt uglys can find a decent looking guy by simply just putting out. Where as a guy needs to actually have things going for him to find a decent chick. Plus everyone knows women are really heartless cold bitchs.

THIS!

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[WritingANovel]

THIS!

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omg gadzooks long time no see!!

I was just listening to this song and it reminded me of you. It's called "song for Mutya" by Groove Armada, featuring Mutya Buena. I would recommend that you download it. Anyways I will post the lyrics here and bold the part that just had to be talking about you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


You're gone, now, I feel fine
17 months, yeah I feel fine
What about you? I betcha been cryin'
I bet ya been goin around town lyin'

I'm drivin' fast, I feel so fine
I got Prince singin' Hot Thing to me
I know every line
So I pulled up to the red light,
sittin' here in my car
I look up to my right, and there you are

Sat there with some new girl, what is this?
(Don't panic, panic, Mutya don't drive erratic)
That's who has replaced me, what a diss
(Don't panic, panic, don't act too manic, manic)
It's a sure fine way to ruin my day
Just as soon as I'm on top of my life,
there you are again
But don't react now, you can't go back now
Don't panic, panic, Mutya, just look ahead now

(Outta control)

Let's cut to it, my girl for lunch
I was feelin' on top of the world,
and I just got a hunch
That you were sat behind my back,
didn't need to turn 'round
I felt sick at the thought,
you're laughing loud

Sat there with some new girl, what is this?
(Don't panic, panic, Mutya don't drive erratic)
That's who has replaced me, what a diss
(Don't panic, panic, don't act too manic, manic)
It's a sure fine way to ruin my day
Just as soon as I'm on top of my life,
there you are again
But don't react now, you can't go back now
Don't panic, panic, Mutya, just look ahead now

(Outta control)

It's a sure fine way to ruin my day
Just as soon as I'm on top of my life,
there you are again
But don't react now, you can't go back now
Don't panic, panic, Mutya, just look ahead now

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Admit zooks, this song was inspired by you.

[gadzooks]

omg gadzooks long time no see!!

Hai!! I'm back in Vancouver now. omfgomfg.

Although I might have told you already... I can't remember.

I was just listening to this song and it reminded me of you. It's called "song for Mutya" by Groove Armada, featuring Mutya Buena. I would recommend that you download it. Anyways I will post the lyrics here and bold the part that just had to be talking about you.

........

Admit zooks, this song was inspired by you.

lolwut? I don't get it... :o

I'm listening to the song though...

[Malkog]

I think it's relative to the situation. There's only been one relationship that I didn't get over before they did. It really depends on how attached each partner lets themselves get.

[WritingANovel]

lolwut? I don't get it... :o

I'm listening to the song though...

lol never mind then. Just wanted to share a good song with j00.

[WritingANovel]

Actually it could also be due to the fact that its a lot easier for a girl to find a new guy usually then it is for a guy to find a new girl. ANY GIRL no matter how ugly can find a dude, and sometimes the butt uglys can find a decent looking guy by simply just putting out. Where as a guy needs to actually have things going for him to find a decent chick. Plus everyone knows women are really heartless cold bitchs.



You are probably right.

Besides, I think that women tend to have better emotional support, as in, they tend to have a large social network of girlfriends and such, on whose shoulder they can always (and often do) cry heartily on. Also, I find that women tend to be, "easily distracted", for a lack of better term. Yes they can be just as heart-broken as the guys but there will always be some stupid frivolous thing that pops up in their lives that will distract them from their hurt, such as their favourite clothing store having a huge blow-out sale, their closest friend getting married, or maybe her parents offering to send her on a cruise...stuff like that. Whereas with men, their emotions tend to run "deeper", for a lack of better word, and when they are heart-broken, you better believe it's serious.

[Dichromate]

Actually it could also be due to the fact that its a lot easier for a girl to find a new guy usually then it is for a guy to find a new girl. ANY GIRL no matter how ugly can find a dude, and sometimes the butt uglys can find a decent looking guy by simply just putting out. Where as a guy needs to actually have things going for him to find a decent chick. Plus everyone knows women are really heartless cold bitchs.


Welcome to the game of life:
Please chose:
Female: easy mode
Male: hard mode

kudos to you for hitting the nail on the head.

[Cozy Amnesia]

Ok I KNOW its relative to the situation, that's WHY I SAID "lets consider only one scenario: a couple is separated and they're both equally hurt."

Are you guys saying that one gender is not prone to be more heart broken than the other?

[I_like_pie]

Welcome to the game of life:
Please chose:
Female: easy mode
Male: hard mode

kudos to you for hitting the nail on the head.

Women get 78 cents for every dollar man makes in the working class.

[WritingANovel]

Women get 78 cents for every dollar man makes in the working class.

Proof?

[IamCancer]

I would have to that in my experiance that it can go either way. Mostly depending on the situation. I think that this thread is full of people who see things as life is harder for me because of x factor. Mostly because the grass is greener on the other side. Though I think that a man can be colder than a woman but, a woman has a better support from her friends. Either way it mostly depends on a person by person basis.

This post is all IMO

[gerifix]

no, women are just as hurt (or maybe even more) after a breakup but they hook up with another guy faster because:
1. they can (as mentioned previously) and
2. because they see they being with someone else as a "punishmen" for their previous bf (sometimes true)

[ThePhoenix]

Proof?

An average woman working full-time is paid only 76 cents for every dollar paid to a man. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2000)

Source: http://dpc.senate.gov/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-109-1-9

[I_like_pie]

Proof?

Shut the fuck up.
I don't pull anything I say out of my ass.

[branflakes]

Female: easy mode
Male: hard mode

It's actually:

Hot chick: easy mode
Spineless pussy guy: hard mode

[Cozy Amnesia]

Women get 78 cents for every dollar man makes in the working class.

But that makes up for all the free beer and shit they get.

[Giggles_The_Panda]

Women get 78 cents for every dollar man makes in the working class.

That is fucking bullshit. You cant honestly be stupid enough to believe a woman would be paid less just for being female. Men and women make the exact same amount of money for the same amount of work. The problem is, men and women generally dont do the same amount of work. Men are more willing to do all the dirty work and go the extra mile to receive higher pay. Someone actually did a study on this but I cant find it. An actual study, they didnt just compare average incomes like in the link ThePhoenix posted.

[ThePhoenix]

That is fucking bullshit. You cant honestly be stupid enough to believe a woman would be paid less just for being female. Men and women make the exact same amount of money for the same amount of work. The problem is, men and women generally dont do the same amount of work. Men are more willing to do all the dirty work and go the extra mile to receive higher pay. Someone actually did a study on this but I cant find it. An actual study, they didnt just compare average incomes like in the link ThePhoenix posted.

No, It's true. And it's sad.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1613829,00.html

'But after controlling for all the factors known to affect wages — including occupation and parenthood — the study found that college-educated women still earn about 5% less than college-educated men one year after graduation and 12% 10 years after graduation. This gap, the study's authors go on to say, "remains unexplained and may be attributed to discrimination."'


A list of more supporting articles.
http://www.aauw.org/About/newsroom/news/0407_payGapCoverage.cfm

[Joshuasan]

yea i firmly believe girls lives are much easier then guys... thus they get over relationships quicker...

there's always gray area... but just by watching how life goes girls even when they don't want a relationship, even ugly ones constantly have guys come up to em as long as they put themselves out there... which is also easier for girls to do.... and then the average to good looking ones could be the stupidest bitches in the world and be stuck up as fuck to everyone ungrateful as fuck... and if they are hurt even still guys will swarm to them / offer to comfort them in hope of getting some... and then they have a bigger circle of pretty easily attained friends they can always count on too..

guys on the other hand have to make things happen and if some girl fucks em over no ones gonna help em... they gotta help themselves... that's just how it is...

notice for instance also whenever there's a party with girls everyone advises you to just bring chicks and to not even hit up your guy friends... cus there would be too many guys (too much competition).... look how that works out for men and women... and most of the time the girls can't even make it... cus chances are they got some guy they wanna hang out with anyway or they have sum thing else being handed to em haha


so yea i do believe girls get over shit quicker then guys... just cus that's pretty much the way the world works... sucks but what doesn't

[Rocko]

Women don't forget shit, they just store things away to whip out and use against you later on.

[Hexadecimal]

Welcome to the game of life:
Please chose:
Female: easy mode
Male: hard mode

kudos to you for hitting the nail on the head.

Welcome to the game of life:
Please choose:
Responsible: Easy
Confusion: Standard
Blame: Hard
Self-Pity: Impossible

If your life sucks, it is because YOU suck. It doesn't matter whether you are male or female. My life is simple and easy because I understand that *I* am the cause of my problems.

[branflakes]

If your life sucks, it is because YOU suck. It doesn't matter whether you are male or female.

Thank you.

[I_like_pie]

that is fucking bullshit. You cant honestly be stupid enough to believe a woman would be paid less just for being female. Men and women make the exact same amount of money for the same amount of work. The problem is, men and women generally dont do the same amount of work. Men are more willing to do all the dirty work and go the extra mile to receive higher pay. Someone actually did a study on this but i cant find it. An actual study, they didnt just compare average incomes like in the link thephoenix posted.


shut the fuck up.
I don't pull anything i say out of my ass.

1235456
E: I'm not pulling out and photographing the fucking psychology book that I got my info from.

[Hexadecimal]

1235456
E: I'm not pulling out and photographing the fucking psychology book that I got my info from.

Women do get paid less than men on average.

I think this may attributed in part to one of the few ingrained differences between average men and women: Assertion and passivity. Men will typically ask for and demand a raise if they are not happy with the wage they receive for the work they do. Women will typically wait to be recognized for their talent and given a raise in due time.

I know, personally, that I have usually gotten my first raise at any job within three months, and one or two more raises by the year's end. I also have no problem with requesting a higher wage to start with than offered. I work hard and know I go above what is necessary: I require compensation for my quality work ethic.

[gadzooks]

1235456
E: I'm not pulling out and photographing the fucking psychology book that I got my info from.

First of all, what year was this book published? And you can obviously tell us the study that the book is citing, as it will mention that in the book. (That is... if it is actually a credible book).

Lack of credible sources = fail.

And not only that, but maybe it's because most of these women lack the degrees or experience that the men have?

Confounding variables = fail.

[gadzooks]

Ok, so I read a few other posts from other people who actually had sources to backup this claim.

But this is still one very tiny piece to the whole "one gender has it easier than the other" debate.

Life isn't all about economic struggle...

[gadzooks]

But that makes up for all the free beer and shit they get.

Actually, this raises a very good point.

What I'd like to see is a study showing how much men spend (of their own money) compared to how much women spend (of their own money).

[I_like_pie]

First of all, what year was this book published? And you can obviously tell us the study that the book is citing, as it will mention that in the book. (That is... if it is actually a credible book).

Lack of credible sources = fail.

And not only that, but maybe it's because most of these women lack the degrees or experience that the men have?

Confounding variables = fail.

2007
It is a high school textbook, and frankly I don't give enough of a shit to go and grab it and search for the chapter that we discussed months ago.
And no shit life isn't all an economic struggle, where did I say that?
Do you think I'm some kinda goddamn feminist? Fuck off.

[gadzooks]

2007
It is a high school textbook, and frankly I don't give enough of a shit to go and grab it and search for the chapter that we discussed months ago.

Ok, fair enough. But just don't expect people to believe you just because you say that it's true.

Anyway, you're in luck, as others have found (what appears to be) the same study and posted it.

[gadzooks]

Do you think I'm some kinda goddamn feminist? Fuck off.

Well you could have worded your first post a bit differently... Like for example:

"Women get 78 cents for every dollar man makes in the working class. LOL owned"

[ThePhoenix]

Ok, so I read a few other posts from other people who actually had sources to backup this claim.

But this is still one very tiny piece to the whole "one gender has it easier than the other" debate.

Life isn't all about economic struggle...

Honestly, i shouldn't even have posted those sources. There is no possible way to assume that one gender or even person has it "easier" when you haven't lived their life. Who are you to judge another person's life. It's really stupid that people here are justifying THEIR pain and thus ineptitude, by saying that women have it easier/they don can "let go". The posts in this thread just show that Totsean males are spineless. Grow some fucking nuts and take control of your life. If you really think that women have it easier, then you should just bend over and let life fuck you in the ass because apparently there's NOTHING you can do about it.

It's also infuriating that people assume that all women have the same motives(to screw men over). The fact that some chick fucked you over has nothing to do with other (possibly awesome)women. I think it says more about you and the women you CHOOSE to have romantic encounters with. Maybe the girl who fucked you over had issues. Pity her, what she did was wrong, but don't lie on your dirty sofa all day making whiny posts on Totse. Act.

end rant

[I_like_pie]

The posts in this thread just show that Totsean males are spineless. Grow some fucking nuts and take control of your life.

I was going to include my own variation of this rant, but you did it pretty well before I did.

[gadzooks]

Honestly, i shouldn't even have posted those sources. There is no possible way to assume that one gender or even person has it "easier" when you haven't lived their life. Who are you to judge another person's life. It's really stupid that people here are justifying THEIR pain and thus ineptitude, by saying that women have it easier/they don can "let go". The posts in this thread just show that Totsean males are spineless. Grow some fucking nuts and take control of your life. If you really think that women have it easier, then you should just bend over and let life fuck you in the ass because apparently there's NOTHING you can do about it.

It's also infuriating that people assume that all women have the same motives(to screw men over). The fact that some chick fucked you over has nothing to do with other (possibly awesome)women. I think it says more about you and the women you CHOOSE to have romantic encounters with. Maybe the girl who fucked you over had issues. Pity her, what she did was wrong, but don't lie on your dirty sofa all day making whiny posts on Totse. Act.

end rant

All irony involved in you telling someone not to make assumptions about other people aside... (although it is tempting to dismiss your entire post because of it)

I base all of my theories of human nature on OBSERVATIONS. Not solely on personal experience. There were actually some very reasonable, sensible posts here explaining why there actually could be a difference in how men and women handle breakups.

But no, because men and women think exactly the same and are no different from each other except in what sex organ is found between their legs... :rolleyes:

[gadzooks]

And if you're trying to say that it's not easier for a woman to attract a mate than for a man, then you are absolutely, undeniably, certifiably retarded.

[I_like_pie]

All irony involved in you telling someone not to make assumptions about other people aside... (although it is tempting to dismiss your entire post because of it)

I base all of my theories of human nature on OBSERVATIONS. Not solely on personal experience. There were actually some very reasonable, sensible posts here explaining why there actually could be a difference in how men and women handle breakups.

But no, because men and women think exactly the same and are no different from each other except in what sex organ is found between their legs... :rolleyes:

Because you have the uncanny ability to observe someones mind.

[gadzooks]

Because you have the uncanny ability to observe someones mind.

We're talking about behavior here.

Behavior can be a pretty darn good indicator of a person's mental state.

Or do you have a study to quote from your high school psych book that says otherwise?

[I_like_pie]

We're talking about behavior here.

Behavior can be a pretty darn good indicator of a person's mental state.

Or do you have a study to quote from your high school psych book that says otherwise?

Behavior does not always match up with a mindset. You, having dated and known typical female archetypes assume that behavior can indicate an actual mindset. Common sense tells me this.
Are you a female?
I didn't think so. You will never know the exact mindset of anyone other than yourself. You know what some PUA/sarger/moron taught you based on his luck on guessing what to say to a woman based on her expressions and body language, or your idiotic and half-assed guessing.
I don't need to study a quote to know this, because common fucking sense tells me this as well.

[gadzooks]

Behavior does not always match up with a mindset. Common sense tells me this.
Are you a female?
I didn't think so. You do not know the mindset.
I don't need to study a quote to know this, because common fucking sense tells me this as well.

However, behavior is usually a good indicator of mindset.

I really hope you're not planning to take psychology in post-secondary, because in psychology, studies are conducted to look for normative results. And under normal conditions (ie: in most cases) behavior DOES match up with mindset.

We're not talking about rare cases here, we're talking about what's normal.

[I_like_pie]

However, behavior is usually a good indicator of mindset.

I really hope you're not planning to take psychology in post-secondary, because in psychology, studies are conducted to look for normative results. And under normal conditions (ie: in most cases) behavior DOES match up with mindset.

We're not talking about rare cases here, we're talking about what's normal.
Not all psychological studies are based on normative results. Freud didn't have thousands of patients, how could his theories be considered normative? and his theories make up the backbone of modern psychology.
I don't need your hope for a single aspect of any part of my life.
And That's the difference between you and I.
I realize that nothing is normal.

[gadzooks]

That's the difference between you and I.
I realize that nothing is normal.

Very poetic, but...

Normal = average. Especially when related to psychology.

There is ALWAYS an average when it comes to statistics.

[I_like_pie]

Very poetic, but...

Normal = average. Especially when related to psychology.

There is ALWAYS an average when it comes to statistics.
Poetic my ass
Averages, when it comes to the mind, mean absolutely nothing.
Psychology is not a firm, 100% proven study.
You really think that words created after the first existence of the human mind can accurately describe a mindset?

[gadzooks]

Poetic my ass
Averages, when it comes to the mind, mean absolutely nothing.
Psychology is not a firm, 100% proven study.
You really think that words created after the first existence of the human mind can accurately describe a mindset?

Ok, so now we're getting philosophical...

Listen, I agree that psychological studies aren't quite as valid as, say, physical laws governing the universe.

And I agree that there are no words to fully and effectively describe even the simplest states of mind.

But this is all trailing waaayyy off topic.

My point was that a person's actions and behaviors can give VERY good clues as to how they're feeling.

[I_like_pie]

Ok, so now we're getting philosophical...

Listen, I agree that psychological studies aren't quite as valid as, say, physical laws governing the universe.

And I agree that there are no words to fully and effectively describe even the simplest states of mind.

But this is all trailing waaayyy off topic.

My point was that a person's actions and behaviors can give VERY good clues as to how they're feeling.

It is not philosophical, it is common fucking sense.
Behavior does not indicate a complete mindset.
You can not accurately guess the thoughts or feelings that go through someones head based on their behavior. Period.

[gadzooks]

You can not accurately guess the thoughts or feelings that go through someones head based on their behavior. Period.

Actually, yes, you can.

Most feelings (emotions) have physiological consequences. 9 out of 10 people will smile when they're happy, and 9 out of 10 will frown when they're sad. And all 10 out of 10 will exhibit sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous responses if they are even slightly aroused. And so on, and so forth.

Most people make a habit every single day of putting their emotions on display, completely subconsciously without even thinking about it.

Or do you think that people just decide what emotion they're going to "wear" that day?

[I_like_pie]

Actually, yes, you can.

Most feelings (emotions) have physiological consequences. 9 out of 10 people will smile when they're happy, and 9 out of 10 will frown when they're sad. And all 10 out of 10 will exhibit sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous responses if they are even slightly aroused. And so on, and so forth.

Most people make a habit every single day of putting their emotions on display, completely subconsciously without even thinking about it.

Or do you think that people just decide what emotion they're going to "wear" that day?

Agreed on the first part.
It is not always subconsciously.
No.

[gadzooks]

Agreed on the first part.
It is not always subconsciously.
No.

I know it isn't always subconsciously.

I, and I'm sure a lot of other people as well, have to consciously decide on how I want people to perceive my emotional state from time to time. But for the most part, we can't control our immediate emotional responses to things.

(The 'immediate' part is important... I don't want to open up a whole other can of worms here about the different ways that individuals can deal with their emotions).

[gadzooks]

I just want to make a post here for the sake of clarifying exactly what we're discussing. So many times I've had debates trail off until the original point was so lost that it was forgotten...

I'm merely saying that we can gauge a person's emotional state with relative accuracy if we are speaking in normative terms and conditions.

Also, something else I must clarify, is that I am not arguing that one particular gender definitely has it any easier or harder than the other in ALL AREAS OF LIFE. That is too much to get into right now. In terms of attracting a mate or possibly in getting over a break up, yes, one gender definitely has the advantage.

Anyway, I have to go for now, I have to get up for work in about 4 hours.

[ThePhoenix]

All irony involved in you telling someone not to make assumptions about other people aside... (although it is tempting to dismiss your entire post because of it)

I base all of my theories of human nature on OBSERVATIONS. Not solely on personal experience. There were actually some very reasonable, sensible posts here explaining why there actually could be a difference in how men and women handle breakups.

But no, because men and women think exactly the same and are no different from each other except in what sex organ is found between their legs... :rolleyes:

Gah. We will never know. I'm saying it's impossible to completely understand another person's life experiences, which may cause a certain behavior(what you're observing). I think that experience plays a much larger role in personality/behavior than innate differences between women and men. I can't say that innate differences don't play a role, but we will never know because it's impossible to control for the variable called "life". So, it's simply impossible to come to the conclusion that women, as a whole, have it better then men.


Oh. And it is a lot easier for women to get sex. But is that really the same as a fulfilling relationship with some you care about?

There could be an indirect relationship though.
Women communicate more easily=(possibly)more friends= more comfort during a breakup...?

Sorry, if this doesn't make any sense but I'm still a bit confused on where you stand....

[gadzooks]

Gah. We will never know. I'm saying it's impossible to completely understand another person's life experiences, which may cause a certain behavior(what you're observing). I think that experience plays a much larger role in personality/behavior than innate differences between women and men. I can't say that innate differences don't play a role, but we will never know because it's impossible to control for the variable called "life". So, it's simply impossible to come to the conclusion that women, as a whole, have it better then men.


Oh. And it is a lot easier for women to get sex. But is that really the same as a fulfilling relationship with some you care about?

There could be an indirect relationship though.
Women communicate more easily=(possibly)more friends= more comfort during a breakup...?

Sorry, if this doesn't make any sense but I'm still a bit confused on where you stand....

To be honest, I would like to discuss this further with you right now, but I really can't (at least at the moment). I need to get at least a few hours of sleep before work, lol.

Anyway, I'll try to make it back to this thread soon.

[Name's Taken]

If your life sucks, it is because YOU suck.

http://apexstudentsadvocatingpeace.org/images/starving_child_xxok.jpg


So external factors have absolutely no effect on your life?

lolk

[WritingANovel]

If your life sucks, it is because YOU suck. It doesn't matter whether you are male or female. My life is simple and easy because I understand that *I* am the cause of my problems.

Not always true.

There are girls who were raped at young ages and had their whole lives ruined. Their lives effectively suck now and it's not because they suck. Of course I admit I picked a highly unusual occurrence to dramatize my point.

My point is, people might have a point in complaining about how hard their lives are.

p.s. I just realized I used the word "point" three times in a short post. I think I am losing my touch.

[WritingANovel]

Gah. We will never know. I'm saying it's impossible to completely understand another person's life experiences, which may cause a certain behavior(what you're observing).

But you don't really need to "completely" know someone's life story to be able to guess with a reasonable amount of certainty what he or she is feeling at the moment, based on the clues given off by his/her behaviors.


I think that experience plays a much larger role in personality/behavior than innate differences between women and men. I can't say that innate differences don't play a role, but we will never know because it's impossible to control for the variable called "life". So, it's simply impossible to come to the conclusion that women, as a whole, have it better then men.

1. You are merely conjecturing/surmising that experience plays a larger role than innate differences. I am not saying you are wrong; I am just pointing out a fact. Also, I can conjecture too, and I claim that innate differences play an equal, if not larger role than past experiences.
2. You don't really need to control the variable known as "life" (also just wishing to add that you were very correct) to come to the conclusion that women have it easier than men, why? Because "women have it better than men" is a mere observation/opinion, it's not some sort of scientific experiment/some theory you are trying to prove/disprove with much academic vigor. Though I commend you on* your effort.

*is it "on" or "for"?

[Mr.Dave]

It really depends on how much the guy drinks after the break up.

[Nefret]

This thread is one giant whiny bitch fest, though I did only make it through the first page.

[Cozy Amnesia]

Actually, this raises a very good point.

What I'd like to see is a study showing how much men spend (of their own money) compared to how much women spend (of their own money).

My girlfriend made me buy like $50-60 in groceries and then dumped me the next day.

[Cozy Amnesia]

http://apexstudentsadvocatingpeace.org/images/starving_child_xxok.jpg


So external factors have absolutely no effect on your life?

lolk

Of course external factors have an effect on everyone's life, but you cannot blame these factors for your condition.

Every individual has free will and is accountable for their actions. It's up to them to be true to themselves and to not live in bad faith.

The person may be dirt poor, but they can still be a good person living an authentic existance.

[Hexadecimal]

http://apexstudentsadvocatingpeace.org/images/starving_child_xxok.jpg


So external factors have absolutely no effect on your life?

lolk

LOL, dude, I was talking to totse posters, not little kids in Africa. If you have basic security, food, and water, and your life still sucks, it is 100% because you suck. Any adversity can be overcome, and I refuse to be soft on the maladjusted that blame their continuance in shit decisions on 'external factors'. Can you eat? Sleep? Drink? Great, then you have no excuse whatever for any problem in your life. If it sucks, you suck.

[Hexadecimal]

And if you're trying to say that it's not easier for a woman to attract a mate than for a man, then you are absolutely, undeniably, certifiably retarded.

It isn't easier. Think about this: Every time a woman fucks, so does a man. (Excluding lesbianism). How then is it possibly easier for a woman to find a mate than a man, considering every time one fucks, so does the other?

[Cozy Amnesia]

It isn't easier. Think about this: Every time a woman fucks, so does a man. (Excluding lesbianism). How then is it possibly easier for a woman to find a mate than a man, considering every time one fucks, so does the other?

I was thinking about this earlier. My conundrum was that there is actually more girls than guys on this planet (almost moot, but in theory) yet people are saying that girls can hook up easier.

I think was people are failing to recognize is the amount of fat, ugly, shy girls out there who do not put themselves out, compared to the entire male population who are all at least trying to pick up pussy.

Think about all the parties/bars/clubs and the guy:girl ratio - usually a lot more guys than girls (not always obviously), and the girls who are there usually have a boy friend. Thats why is seems harder for guys to find a new girl, because they're all looking in the wrong places.

Its really probably not any different for either gender to pick up a new mate, just the individuals involved, like the whole "who forgets faster" debate. Woah, did I just make it full circle back to the original topic? I didn't see that happening...

[Dichromate]

An average woman working full-time is paid only 76 cents for every dollar paid to a man. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2000)

Source: http://dpc.senate.gov/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-109-1-9

"The pay gap exists for working women regardless of age, race, occupation, education, or hours worked. Statistics show that -- even after taking a variety of factors into consideration -- women still suffer a significant pay gap."

Without looking at it in detail, if that's their conclusion what it actually means is that when regression models for men and women using the factors that they think ought to or might be significant end up having different returns to characteristics. That could mean discrimination, or it could mean missing variables.

[Dichromate]

It isn't easier. Think about this: Every time a woman fucks, so does a man. (Excluding lesbianism). How then is it possibly easier for a woman to find a mate than a man, considering every time one fucks, so does the other?

Here's a possibility:
There is a minority of men who fuck many, many women, but other men have a much harder time.

[Kyoki]

edit: I'm not sure how you waggle poon.

Most strip clubs make a demonstration available.

[Kyoki]

"The pay gap exists for working women regardless of age, race, occupation, education, or hours worked. Statistics show that -- even after taking a variety of factors into consideration -- women still suffer a significant pay gap."

Without looking at it in detail, if that's their conclusion what it actually means is that when regression models for men and women using the factors that they think ought to or might be significant end up having different returns to characteristics. That could mean discrimination, or it could mean missing variables.

Ever considered that many woman take a couple of years off to care for children? A couple of years missing from the CV has an effect.

[gadzooks]

Oh. And it is a lot easier for women to get sex. But is that really the same as a fulfilling relationship with some you care about?

Woah, do you really think that it's only sex that women have an easier time attaining? Take your average girl for instance, she probably has at least a handful of male friends who would absolutely jump at the opportunity to take things to a deeper level, as well as a bunch of colleagues, coworkers, acquaintances, etc... And then you also have to consider the fact that a lot of the guys who might approach her randomly are looking for more than just sex. Why do you assume that all they want is sex? :confused:

Sorry, if this doesn't make any sense but I'm still a bit confused on where you stand....

Basically, I am holding a firm stance on the idea that women have it easier than men when it comes to finding love/sex/etc, and this is based both on biological/evolutionary terms, as well as the various social constructs such as chivalry and whatnot. Men are naturally the pursuers, and women the pursued. This, of course, makes it easier for them to 'rebound' after a relationship.

However, my stance on the whole debate as to whether women or men have it easier in life is a lot more flimsy, and if at times it seems like I am a particular sides' #1 proponent, that is merely for the sake of debate. Or simply for the lulz. ;)

[gadzooks]

It isn't easier. Think about this: Every time a woman fucks, so does a man. (Excluding lesbianism). How then is it possibly easier for a woman to find a mate than a man, considering every time one fucks, so does the other?

Well, what I meant of course was that women get to choose a lot more easily than men do.

I suppose I could have been more specific.

My girlfriend made me buy like $50-60 in groceries and then dumped me the next day.

Fucking typical, eh? :p

[Hexadecimal]

Here's a possibility:
There is a minority of men who fuck many, many women, but other men have a much harder time.

And it is the female sex's fault that a male is incapable of competing?

I know my prior posts have not represented my view completely, but this is it, straightforward: When it comes to garnering healthy relationships capable of lasting, the individual has to accept responsibility for his actions. When seeking a partner, beginning a relationship with much sex and little knowledge of a partner is a high risk situation that easily lends to dishonesty, cheating, and other manipulations. When seeking to blindly fornicate with throngs of women, doing so without disclosure of intentions leads to the misguided view that 'women are clingy'. One must behave sincerely according to motives and desires if they hope to achieve what they seek. Failure to do so is utterly and irrevocably the fault of the individual suffering the consequences.

[ThePhoenix]

Woah, do you really think that it's only sex that women have an easier time attaining? Take your average girl for instance, she probably has at least a handful of male friends who would absolutely jump at the opportunity to take things to a deeper level, as well as a bunch of colleagues, coworkers, acquaintances, etc... And then you also have to consider the fact that a lot of the guys who might approach her randomly are looking for more than just sex. Why do you assume that all they want is sex? :confused:

I think that women are more selective than men when choosing a significant other, and cancels out the fact that there are more available men.


Basically, I am holding a firm stance on the idea that women have it easier than men when it comes to finding love/sex/etc, and this is based both on biological/evolutionary terms, as well as the various social constructs such as chivalry and whatnot. Men are naturally the pursuers, and women the pursued. This, of course, makes it easier for them to 'rebound' after a relationship.

From an evolutionary standpoint, women are much more careful when selecting mates. They can't waste years on relationships when the biological clock is ticking. So, breaking up with the man they've invested heavily in is emotionally damaging. Hmmm.. also stating that since men are naturally the pursuers and women are the pursued is valid(even though that seems to be changing, more and more women are initiating relationships), but using that to support the notion that it's easier for women to rebound is a bit of a leap. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense for a male to be loosely attached to a female because he wants to spread his genetic information. Females need to be closely attached as they expect the male to support children later in life.


However, my stance on the whole debate as to whether women or men have it easier in life is a lot more flimsy, and if at times it seems like I am a particular sides' #1 proponent, that is merely for the sake of debate. Or simply for the lulz. ;)

Well that's what I was railing against in my original post.

[gadzooks]

From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense for a male to be loosely attached to a female because he wants to spread his genetic information. Females need to be closely attached as they expect the male to support children later in life.

I like this, because it is a very good point that I hadn't really considered.

However, I still think that immediately following that brief initial break-up period, the woman adapts quickly due to her options being wide open again. Meanwhile, the man has to go out and make an effort in finding someone else, and even then, may face multiple rejections, which only hurt more right after a break-up.

I think that women are more selective than men when choosing a significant other, and cancels out the fact that there are more available men.

...

From an evolutionary standpoint, women are much more careful when selecting mates. They can't waste years on relationships when the biological clock is ticking. So, breaking up with the man they've invested heavily in is emotionally damaging. Hmmm.. also stating that since men are naturally the pursuers and women are the pursued is valid(even though that seems to be changing, more and more women are initiating relationships), but using that to support the notion that it's easier for women to rebound is a bit of a leap.

It's not really about there being more (suitable) men available... I mean, think about it this way, if you've been dumped, what is one of the best ways to make yourself feel a bit more 'whole' again? The rebound. Guys do it, girls do it, it's a natural part of the healing process after a break-up. However, women can do this a LOT more easily than men can, because all they have to do is lower the standards a notch or two (if they even have to resort to that!), and they're golden. I mean, it's just for the ego boost, it doesn't have to be the kind of guy she sees herself marrying. This is where the whole idea behind her being the selective one comes in... She has to choose from between a bunch of men that want her, both romantically and sexually. When she's taken a blow to the ego, this is the perfect band-aid to patch that right up in a jiffy.

It's funny though, we're using the same evidence to support completely opposing views... :p

[ThePhoenix]

It's funny though, we're using the same evidence to support completely opposing views... :p

It's also interesting that I'm a chick and you're a dude....

[LSA King]

By "forgetting" I mean the period of time where the broken heart mends itself. The person must forget about their old feeling with their ex until they're capable of loving again.

For the sack of consistency, lets consider only one scenario: a couple is separated and they're both equally hurt. Who will coop better, the male or the female?

In my experience, girls can move on much faster then guys can. Perhaps this is only true because girls break up relationships more than guys do, but I don't know.




I would have to most definitally disagree and say FALSE. Women definitally move on to the next guy faster when it comes to sex but thats only because they tend to have extremely high rebound rates where they are kind of in limbo when they break up. They do not open back up for at least double or triple the amount of time as guys tend to. This is from my personal experiences and the fact I grow up with 3 older sisters and see it first hand. They give you that impression to hope you come back to them first showing how you should have bent over backwards for her. Its a damn mind game which is why I refuse to get in relationships with women and rather stick with open sex friends then overly insecure relationships.

[gadzooks]

It's also interesting that I'm a chick and you're a dude....

You know, that actually makes a lot more sense. For some weird reason, I thought you were male, despite the particular position you took on the whole issue.

But anyway, now that your gender has been established...

n00d pix plz ;)

[ThePhoenix]

You know, that actually makes a lot more sense. For some weird reason, I thought you were male, despite the particular position you took on the whole issue.

But anyway, now that your gender has been established...

n00d pix plz ;)

Haha, at least you asked nicely. :)

[Tinted Glass]

To be honest, most of you whining about girls sound like a bunch of pussies.


No gender has it any fuckin easier, women just have the ability to distract themselves with new guys.

It doesnt hurt any fuckin less, its just easier to hide when its easier to pretend you have moved on.

[Dichromate]

Ever considered that many woman take a couple of years off to care for children? A couple of years missing from the CV has an effect.

Ever considered that 'years in the work force' are going to be a predictor variable in any half decent model?

[Phanatic]

When you take into consideration that women get everything in their lives paid for just to put out, it kind of evens out doesn't it?