View Full Version : 40mg HM vs. 80mg OC - both $50 but whats better?
Which one would you rather spend your $ ?? I know that 40mg Hydromporphone is "more for less" but I dont IV and i dont plan on starting.
So considering that you can not IV, only eat, snort or plug... which one would you rather have to get fucked up on, OC80 or 10 x 4mg hydromorph ? and how would you ingest them? I know eating HM is pointless, but is it better to snort, plug, or subling it?
Cozy Amnesia
2009-01-06, 21:14
I haven't had hydromorphone, but I've had oxymorphone. I took IIRC 10mg. The rush was amazing and equivalent to 40mg of oxy snorted, but the euphoria wasn't anywhere near that of 40mg of oxy, which is kind of the same price.
But that's oxymorphone not hydromorphone.
Bottem line, if you're looking for a rush go with the 'morphone but if you're seeking euphoria go with the oxy.
Adhesive Tape
2009-01-06, 21:38
Because you don't want to bang the hydromorphone, snort the oxycodone. What a shame.:(
Because you don't want to bang the hydromorphone, snort the oxycodone. What a shame.:(
so are you saying that if I snorted/subling'd/plugged 50mgs of hydromorphone i wouldn't be as high as eating/snorting 80mgs of OC ??
I turned away from snorting oxy when i first ate 50mgs of oxy with some tums, mainly because 50mgs snorted did not produce half as intense euphoria as eating the same amount. BTW They are brand name OC80s and i made sure to powder it into flour-like consistency, so I know for a fact that (for me) eating OC > snorting OC.
I wouldnt even attempt eating dillies though. Compete waste.
From the searches I've done it seems that when it comes to hydromorphone:
plugged > sublingual > snorted > eaten
Adhesive Tape
2009-01-06, 22:23
so are you saying that if I snorted/subling'd/plugged 50mgs of hydromorphone i wouldn't be as high as eating/snorting 80mgs of OC ??
I don't know your size/weight or tolerance (besides you seem to react weirdly to opiates). All I know is; I would shoot those Diluadid in 2-3mg increments over a long period of time.
I haven't had hydromorphone, but I've had oxymorphone. I took IIRC 10mg. The rush was amazing and equivalent to 40mg of oxy snorted, but the euphoria wasn't anywhere near that of 40mg of oxy, which is kind of the same price.
But that's oxymorphone not hydromorphone.
Bottem line, if you're looking for a rush go with the 'morphone but if you're seeking euphoria go with the oxy.
Thanks,
Out of all prescribable opiates the only one i can not get for the life of me is oxymorphone, people here dont even know what it is.
Maybe its for the greater good, due to the massive dumbassery of general population I can see wtf would happen if they got OM here: "hey i got these new oxys -some oc generics he called them ox-a-morphine or someshit, anyways im off to rail 5 of these in one line since they are only 10mg" :(
How much does a 10mg OM go for in your area?
well let's see.. for me, a somewhat seasoned opiate user with a modest tolerance a 4mg Dilly gets me feeling pretty good, given 40mg my tolerance would probably get up to 8mg so..
80mg of oxy would be like 4 doses for me, maybe a little more maybe a little less.
so overall, i'd say the HM would be slightly more valuble in my position, but i also IV my opiates because only pussies don't IV their opiates. I say go spend $3 on a 10 pack of 29 gauge short tip insulin syringes and get the Dillys so you can experience a true opiate experience.
fretbuzz
2009-01-07, 03:55
80mg oxycodone is $50 dollars? IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!
Bottem line, if you're looking for a rush go with the 'morphone but if you're seeking euphoria go with the oxy.
umm.. isn't the rush euphoric??
fretbuzz
2009-01-07, 03:59
only pussies don't IV their opiates. I say go spend $3 on a 10 pack of 29 gauge short tip insulin syringes and get the Dillys so you can experience a true opiate experience.
a part of me feels sorry for you.. whoever you may be.
Buttocks
2009-01-07, 04:00
so overall, i'd say the HM would be slightly more valuble in my position, but i also IV my opiates because only pussies don't IV their opiates. I say go spend $3 on a 10 pack of 29 gauge short tip insulin syringes and get the Dillys so you can experience a true opiate experience.
That's just fucking stupid. Let's convince him to start shooting up opes. Great plan.
Cozy Amnesia
2009-01-07, 04:01
eating OC > snorting OC
true
How much does a 10mg OM go for in your area?
The person had 40 mg oxymorphone pills and he was cutting them into fourths and selling them at $20 each IIRC, but he really could have sold them at any price because there's no other sellers. He was getting them from his boss at work who was getting them from someone with a script. But I don't know if they're still available.
That's just fucking stupid. Let's convince him to start shooting up opes. Great plan.
you don't convince anyone to do anything, if you want to do something deep down you're going to do it regardless of outside influence. there's a difference between the statements you put out there for others and how you really feel deep down. and on top of that i don't know who the fuck this kid is, why the fuck do i care if he starts banging opiates or not? if he does good for him he'll start actually feeling his opiates and have a nasty habit to support, if he doesn't he can continue to experience subpar opiate highs.. either way who gives a fuck about a total stranger, and thanks for the compliment i thought it was a great plan as well :)
true
The person had 40 mg oxymorphone pills and he was cutting them into fourths and selling them at $20 each IIRC, but he really could have sold them at any price because there's no other sellers. He was getting them from his boss at work who was getting them from someone with a script. But I don't know if they're still available.
what kind of fucking pain would you have to be in to get oxymorph prescribed? jesus. what opoid would you compare the entire experience to most? hydromorph i'd assume? describe it a lil better if you don't mind.. like what rush was it most similar to? how long did it last? and i am assuming you banged it? oxymorphone is pretty much the only thing left on my "to-do" list.
80mg of oxy would be like 4 doses for me, maybe a little more maybe a little less.
That's surprisingly better than I'd have expected, knowing what I've read about your situation.
ilovechronic
2009-01-07, 08:01
so are you saying that if I snorted/subling'd/plugged 50mgs of hydromorphone i wouldn't be as high as eating/snorting 80mgs of OC ??
I turned away from snorting oxy when i first ate 50mgs of oxy with some tums, mainly because 50mgs snorted did not produce half as intense euphoria as eating the same amount. BTW They are brand name OC80s and i made sure to powder it into flour-like consistency, so I know for a fact that (for me) eating OC > snorting OC.
I wouldnt even attempt eating dillies though. Compete waste.
From the searches I've done it seems that when it comes to hydromorphone:
plugged > sublingual > snorted > eaten
That would make sense because oxycodone biavailablility is higher orally than intranasal.
helterskelter
2009-01-07, 08:15
That's surprisingly better than I'd have expected, knowing what I've read about your situation.
its cause he shoots them man^
And to the op you are going to want to go with the oxycodone because you dont shoot
imo hydromorphone is worthless used any other way than iv
40mg is alot of duliadid tho but it tends to make people real sick to ther stomach
so go with the oxy you will thank me when your not hugging the crapper all night
Just IV the Hydromorphone
If you do it right - less dangerous.
Cozy Amnesia
2009-01-07, 18:06
umm.. isn't the rush euphoric??
Alright, let me clarify. The feeling I got from the oxymorphone was more intense, it felt like I took a fuck ton of oxycodone or morphine, but when I closed my eyes I didn't nod off like I can on oxycodone. Make sense? I think taking more or banging it would have helped me nod off.
Oh, and I snorted it. I haven't tried hydromorphone, only oxycodone and morphine which I'm making my comparisons too.
That's surprisingly better than I'd have expected, knowing what I've read about your situation.
i don't have the means to have a nasty habit anymore. back when i was working it was $50+ a day. i'm still a daily user none the less but it's more or less like $10-20 a day.. i'm getting pretty close to being weened.
Lets think of this from two angles. Personal recreation and profit.
Recreationally, the better bet is oxy.(assuming you're adamant about the no iv)So thats a point to oxy.
Financially, oxy goes for lets say 50 cents/mg and is a 4.5/10 on rarity. (baseline 1 being weed of course)
Hydromorphone, on the other hand could be sold at amounts anywhere from 2.00-10.00/effing mg! K-4's(4 mg pills of hm)can be sold for $40+ because its so incredibly hard to get compared to other weaker opiates.( maxing out just under oxymorphone on the rarity scale)
So ignoring the shackles of morality, both state and federal laws, and your mental list of things you promised yourself you'd never do..your best bet is to(if hm is common in your area skip to "AB123") buy the hm for 50 and resell the separate k-4's individually and you could end up with $400+!(200 easy if you dont have the time to search for the opiate connoisseurs) and than just buy the oxy.
"AB123"
Since you wont make any money selling the hm, than yes no doubt take the oxy. Oxy is incredibly more efficient taken orally than the hm. 80mg of oxy is = to 120mg of hm taken orally!!!!! Thats 33% stronger!!And for 1/2 the price/mg than the hm!
*knowlege is power*
*to all feds out there.......my name is Jimmy Burns and i stole "Hypno's" computer yesterday. Ill give it back to him tonight."
ilovechronic
2009-01-08, 02:30
Lets think of this from two angles. Personal recreation and profit.
Recreationally, the better bet is oxy.(assuming you're adamant about the no iv)So thats a point to oxy.
Financially, oxy goes for lets say 50 cents/mg and is a 4.5/10 on rarity. (baseline 1 being weed of course)
Hydromorphone, on the other hand could be sold at amounts anywhere from 2.00-10.00/effing mg! K-4's(4 mg pills of hm)can be sold for $40+ because its so incredibly hard to get compared to other weaker opiates.( maxing out just under oxymorphone on the rarity scale)
So ignoring the shackles of morality, both state and federal laws, and your mental list of things you promised yourself you'd never do..your best bet is to(if hm is common in your area skip to "AB123") buy the hm for 50 and resell the separate k-4's individually and you could end up with $400+!(200 easy if you dont have the time to search for the opiate connoisseurs) and than just buy the oxy.
"AB123"
Since you wont make any money selling the hm, than yes no doubt take the oxy. Oxy is incredibly more efficient taken orally than the hm. 80mg of oxy is = to 120mg of hm taken orally!!!!! Thats 33% stronger!!And for 1/2 the price/mg than the hm!
*knowlege is power*
*to all feds out there.......my name is Jimmy Burns and i stole "Hypno's" computer yesterday. Ill give it back to him tonight."
um 40mgs of hydromorphone equals 100 mgs of oxycodone orally. dude you could of killed someone with that bullshit right there, next time atleast double check your math. get the hydromorphone.
~30mgs of hydromprhone=80mgs of oxycodone.
Thanks for the advice dudes. I went with dillies only because this old lady who claims she have 60 "green pills with zero - C on one side and 80 on the other" and she almost shitted herself when i said i would pay $10 a piece. Then her fucking nephew told her whats up and now she wants $20 a piece, which is still a fucking joke compared to $50 for OC80 im used to paying or $40 for a 93 33 teva)
And in terms of iv, i lost a close friend within few months since his first shot, and recently 2 somewhat friends of mine also lost their lives to a strong batch of iv'd H... RIP Mike L. and Tom T.
What turns me away from the needle is just how i've seen people change within few months of banging, turning into egoistical scamming 2faced bullshiters with no desire/motivation for anything other than noddin the fuck out. Obviously this does not apply to most iv users, but its what i witness often irl.
Hydromorphone, on the other hand could be sold at amounts anywhere from 2.00-10.00/effing mg! K-4's(4 mg pills of hm)can be sold for $40+ because its so incredibly hard to get compared to other weaker opiates.( maxing out just under oxymorphone on the rarity scale)
So ignoring the shackles of morality, both state and federal laws, and your mental list of things you promised yourself you'd never do..your best bet is to(if hm is common in your area skip to "AB123") buy the hm for 50 and resell the separate k-4's individually and you could end up with $400+!(200 easy if you dont have the time to search for the opiate connoisseurs) and than just buy the oxy.
In my area the opiate use is pretty high - like out of 20 random people who smoke weed about 8 uses opes, but 3 out of 100 iv their opes... so the dillies are not very popular i've seen people pay $8-$10 for the same M-4 (not k4) that i can get for $5, but i dont think it would sell for more and even at $8 most people here would rather pay $5-$7 for a 10/325 norco, which in terms of my area holds the title for most desired opiate by everyone (hydrocodone that is)... Im sure that if we had more iv users the situation would be different. Percs and OCs are overpriced and rare (percs are 1000 x harder to find than vics).
The codeine is nonexistant besides in the form of syrup (with prometh..bleh) and ocassional t3.
Since you wont make any money selling the hm, than yes no doubt take the oxy. Oxy is incredibly more efficient taken orally than the hm. 80mg of oxy is = to 120mg of hm taken orally!!!!! Thats 33% stronger!!And for 1/2 the price/mg than the hm!
I would never take HM orally, i would rather squirt it in my asshole, but what i have found out to help with intranasal is dissolving 3 or 4 dillies "(4mg) in a tablespoon of water, filtering through cotton or whatever, and pouring into these nasal spray bottles with a push-down-pump-nebulizer thingy - it works unbeliveably much better, most likely due to the fact that even a small 4mg dillie pill still contains by weight 98% inactive fillers and binders which clog the muccus membranes therefore not allowing the tiny spec (2% - 4mgs) of hydromorphone to fully contact the membranes and get absorbed efficently, instead most of HM snorted along with all pill fillers ends up in your stomach anywas. Yes this means you do not need to iv or play with your asshole to get better effects from HM than snorting pill powder can deliver. I highly recommend.
um 40mgs of hydromorphone equals 100 mgs of oxycodone orally. dude you could of killed someone with that bullshit right there, next time atleast double check your math. get the hydromorphone.
~30mgs of hydromorphone=80mgs of oxycodone.
errr. IV'd the ratio is 7.5/20 morphone
swallowed-120/80
swallowed it is only 29% effective while oxycodone is 87% released. So oxycodone is actually 3X as absorbed. However hydromorphone is 2.67X as potent as oxy. But with the increased absorption it comes out with oxycodone coming out at .30X stronger or 1.3X stronger than hydromorphone.
bioavailability of hydromorphone
http://jcp.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/27/9/647
definition of peroral
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/peroral
potency of hm v. oxy/bioavailability of oxycodone
http://www.drugs.com/forum/pill-identification/oxycodone-vs-hydromorphone-50777.html
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http://www.wimp.com/sickmagic/
ilovechronic
2009-01-08, 04:29
errr. IV'd the ratio is 7.5/20 morphone
swallowed-120/80
swallowed it is only 29% effective while oxycodone is 87% released. So oxycodone is actually 3X as absorbed. However hydromorphone is 2.67X as potent as oxy. But with the increased absorption it comes out with oxycodone coming out at .30X stronger or 1.3X stronger than hydromorphone.
bioavailability of hydromorphone
http://jcp.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/27/9/647
definition of peroral
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/peroral
potency of hm v. oxy/bioavailability of oxycodone
http://www.drugs.com/forum/pill-identification/oxycodone-vs-hydromorphone-50777.html
a fun link to distract from the fact you're a fucking idiot who is hilariously hypocritical
http://www.wimp.com/sickmagic/
your wrong dude. 120 mgs of hm does not equal 80 of oxy.'
op, hydromorphone does have a shorter half life than oxy so keep that in mind.
your wrong dude. 120 mgs of hm does not equal 80 of oxy.'
op, hydromorphone does have a shorter half life than oxy so keep that in mind.
how can you argue all that proof? Did you really keep a straight face typing your nonsense?
Where is your base for such a stubborn "interpretation" of reality?
ilovechronic
2009-01-08, 05:02
how can you argue all that proof? Did you really keep a straight face typing your nonsense?
Where is your base for such a stubborn "interpretation" of reality?
that was not proof. that was nonsense.
Morphine 10 mg parenteral = Morphine 30 mg oral = Hydromorphone 1.5 mg parenteral = Hydromorphone 7.5 mg oral. www.mywhatever.com/cifwriter/library/eperc/fastfact/ff36.html
"Look up equianalgesic ratio: 30 mg po morphine = 7.5 mg po hydromorphone "
7.5mgs of hm=30mgs of morphine ORAL.
Seriously dude you fail:
www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi
this gives the same amount as above.
7.5mgs of HM ORAl=30mgs of morphine ORAL
7.5mgs of hm ORAL = 20mgs of OXY ORAl
40mgs of HYDROMORPHONE(oral)= 106.67mgs of oxycodone (oral)
this is purely from a analgesic perspective.
steel211
2009-01-08, 08:32
if you're not going to IV go with OC
roadtripper420
2009-01-08, 08:58
a fun link to distract from the fact you're a fucking idiot who is hilariously hypocritical
http://www.wimp.com/sickmagic/
Great link ftw.