Opiate Help- Helpful Input Appreciated

[Street_Pharmacist420]

Okay, so as many of you here know I am a benzo addict; benzos being the only 'recreational' drug that I use. For the record, I have no tolerance to any other drug

Besides benzos, I dont really use any sort of recreational drugs anymore, except for the occasional acid/mushroom trip (rare nowadays). Shit I dont even smoke bud anymore, but I used to enjoy the occasional opiate, most of the time oxycodone or hydrocodone. And to be completley honest, I used to have a blast (When using opes, who doesnt?).

But as of lately, it seems that I cant feel them anymore, it honestly seems like a waste of hard earned money now. I have absolutley no tolerance to opes what so ever, but no matter what the dose I just cant feel them anymore. No euphoria, no bliss, shit I dont even get itchy anymore

Two most recent examples:

Ex1: Two weeks ago, picked up an OC80. Snorted half, popped rest of powder. Felt a nice warm for about 20 minutes, then it went away. Nothing after that

Ex2: Couple days ago, picked up 60mgs of hydro. Popped all on an empty stomach, chewed up two tums ultra prior to administraition. 45 minutes later no euphoria, no itchness, just got really tired. Fell asleep pretty quickly, especially since Im a very bad insomniac

Now I've talked to very intelligent freind of mine who mentioned that my heavy daily benzo use could be effecting the effects of the opiates. It seems plausible and a very valid point to make; I was just curious if anybody on BLTC had anything intelligent to say on the matter, any help is appreciated.

And just to leave any questions unanswered, yes these were legit pills from a good friend of mine. Standard OC80 and 6 M362's Malinkrodt. I am not fat, average i guess at 6"1 200 lbs. And as said before, these are just the most recent example, I have quite a few others that are prety much related to these experiences, vary the dose +/- a little bit

[thatcoolkid]

I'm sleep-deprived and hungry so this is gonna be short.

I don't think they interact w/ each other b/c they act on different receptors, but I could very well be wrong.

Might want to google "benzodiazpine opiate cross tolerance" or something similar and see what you can dig up..

Seems like somethings going on though, 'cuz if you get no euphoria from 40mg up the nose and 40 parachuted you might as well just kill yourself. Amirite? :p

[Piles Of Crack]

When I was still using benzos heavily on a daily basis, I had the occasional opiate here and there and honestly never experienced much of a cross tolerance at all. My opiate tolerance has always been very low, probably because I only used them maybe once a month, if that, so it was never a problem for me to get high off of a single OC 40 or one stamp of quality H...even when I was using around 500 mg of diazepam a day.

Wish I could help you more but that's all I've got right now. Of course I'll throw in the mandatory "be careful fucking with opiates when taking massive doses of powerful benzos" thing, but I'll go ahead with the belief that you probably know that already.

[Xandre]

Could be a bit of cross tolerance, or you might just not notice the effects of opiates so much after heavy use of benzos.

Or maybe opiates just don't effect you very strongly?

[Cozy Amnesia]

Try taking 5HTP or something.

[Street_Pharmacist420]

Well looks like im back to square one guys, thanks to all who replied; I guess opiates just arent my thing, but they never have been? :confused:

When I was still using benzos heavily on a daily basis, I had the occasional opiate here and there and honestly never experienced much of a cross tolerance at all. My opiate tolerance has always been very low, probably because I only used them maybe once a month, if that, so it was never a problem for me to get high off of a single OC 40 or one stamp of quality H...even when I was using around 500 mg of diazepam a day.


Thats pretty interesting considering im in a very similiar situation, in my current state my benzo use was the only thing that I thought would have a negative effect on what little opiates I did use. Fuck, there goes another theory :o

If anybody else has any suggestions, I'm all for it...

[mksnowboarder]

No cross tolerance.

1) Take them on an empty stomach.
2) Potentiate.
3) Increase dosage. Some people have an absurdly high natural tolerance.

mike

[Street_Pharmacist420]

No cross tolerance.

1) Take them on an empty stomach.
2) Potentiate.
3) Increase dosage. Some people have an absurdly high natural tolerance.

mike

Check- Always take opes on an empty stomach

Check- Use Tums beforehand, usually use some DXM or cimetadine

??? How much higher do you expect me to go? I know im not the smallest dude on the block, but im already taking an 80 to the face with absolutley no tolerance. Just about a year ago I was nodding hard off half that dose; Im afraid if I aim any higher im going to wind up with a narcan shot to the chest and a catheter in my.... yea lets leave it at that :(

[mksnowboarder]

As for potentiators, tums sucks. You mentioned N0WARNING'S guide: go find it, and find the link to my thread about enzyme inhibition. Maximize your oxymorphone.

Keep narcan on hand and then you don't have to worry. But increase a dose slowly.

mike

[hydroponichronic]

I'm also liking dose increase. What you should monitor is not mental response, but physical. If you took a gram of oxy, but your heart rate and BP are fine, then you won't OD. When dosing, don't think about the buzz, but rather physical symptoms. Those are the ones that'll kill ya.

Alternatively, is it possible you got some REALLY expired (to the point of no potency) opes. Or maybe bunk opes. Keep in mind that if you didn't make it yourself, you don't really know what's in 'em. I've heard more than a few reports of fake/bunk oxys that looked totally legit. This would explain your problem nicely.

Moreover, I'd find it hard to believe that you'd have a tolerance such that you didn't feel much from 40 of oxy, yet you don't have w/d symptoms when not on it. IIRC, tolerance and withdrawl go hand in hand.

[trippy]

Try taking 5HTP or something.

lol that was either hilarious or fucking idiotic

[Before the Opiate]

I can relate to what you're talking about. What kind of dosing [Benzos] are you in to? Is it just for enjoyment or has it become a necessity?

When I began heavy drug use [or just about anything I could get my hands on] a good while back I noticed a gradual 'numbing' began to take shape...here it is 5 (or so) years later and no matter how long of a break I take I've reached a sort of plateau tolerance that I can't get below anymore and it generally translates to most the common pharms around.

Basically I see it as a result of constant overstimulation of your body and mind which gradually dims your nerves and overall feeling. THIS (for me) resulted from dosing up on psyches daily/semi-daily for weeks (or more) on end...a great time but I think I aged 15 years every 6 months.

THAT is all assuming you're a heavy user and constantly bombarding yourself with inebriation..to which I say giving it all a break for a while isn't a bad idea.

[ilovechronic]

Okay, so as many of you here know I am a benzo addict; benzos being the only 'recreational' drug that I use. For the record, I have no tolerance to any other drug

Besides benzos, I dont really use any sort of recreational drugs anymore, except for the occasional acid/mushroom trip (rare nowadays). Shit I dont even smoke bud anymore, but I used to enjoy the occasional opiate, most of the time oxycodone or hydrocodone. And to be completley honest, I used to have a blast (When using opes, who doesnt?).

But as of lately, it seems that I cant feel them anymore, it honestly seems like a waste of hard earned money now. I have absolutley no tolerance to opes what so ever, but no matter what the dose I just cant feel them anymore. No euphoria, no bliss, shit I dont even get itchy anymore

Two most recent examples:

Ex1: Two weeks ago, picked up an OC80. Snorted half, popped rest of powder. Felt a nice warm for about 20 minutes, then it went away. Nothing after that

Ex2: Couple days ago, picked up 60mgs of hydro. Popped all on an empty stomach, chewed up two tums ultra prior to administraition. 45 minutes later no euphoria, no itchness, just got really tired. Fell asleep pretty quickly, especially since Im a very bad insomniac

Now I've talked to very intelligent freind of mine who mentioned that my heavy daily benzo use could be effecting the effects of the opiates. It seems plausible and a very valid point to make; I was just curious if anybody on BLTC had anything intelligent to say on the matter, any help is appreciated.

And just to leave any questions unanswered, yes these were legit pills from a good friend of mine. Standard OC80 and 6 M362's Malinkrodt. I am not fat, average i guess at 6"1 200 lbs. And as said before, these are just the most recent example, I have quite a few others that are prety much related to these experiences, vary the dose +/- a little bit

you DO have a tolerance if an 80 does nothing. And any kind of benzo use should not have an effect on your opiate/opioid use because they have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT mechanisms of action.

[Street_Pharmacist420]

As for potentiators, tums sucks. You mentioned N0WARNING'S guide.

I wasnt using tums as a potentiator, when popping vics or any opes for that matter I find that it helps if you lowel the acid level in your stomach a bit, maybe its just placebo but it always seem to work for me

Keep narcan on hand and then you don't have to worry. But increase a dose slowly.

Yeah, I guess ill have to put that on the to do list

*Adds, knock off ambulance*

Alternatively, is it possible you got some REALLY expired (to the point of no potency) opes. Or maybe bunk opes. Keep in mind that if you didn't make it yourself, you don't really know what's in 'em. I've heard more than a few reports of fake/bunk oxys that looked totally legit. This would explain your problem nicely.

I dont think it's possible; my guy that I usually get the vics from is an old friend. I pick them up from him the day he gets his script from his pharmacy, like clockwork, every month. Always look new, no wear or such, and no other visible forms of aging. Unless CVS is giving out bunk hydros, I doubt it

As for oxy, Ive heard more then one dealer talking about fake OC's making there way around here, they look perfectly legit, they just dont taste like regular oxycodone does. Only thing is I pick them up from a OC head, who pretty much sits around his crib all day snorting lines, selling oxy and playing Guitar Hero when hes not nodding out in the middle of a song. I usually also graciously pick up a couple extra to 'give' to a couple of my freinds, and Ive never gotten any complaints from anyone anytime.

Moreover, I'd find it hard to believe that you'd have a tolerance such that you didn't feel much from 40 of oxy, yet you don't have w/d symptoms when not on it. IIRC, tolerance and withdrawl go hand in hand.

No tolerance= Nothing to withdraw from
Trust me, I know worlds over about tolerance and withdrawals from my benzo use, either I have such an insanley high natural tolerance to all opiates, or I cover any possible opiate w/ds over with heavy benzo use, which makes absolutley no sense considering I never use them :confused:


I can relate to what you're talking about. What kind of dosing [Benzos] are you in to? Is it just for enjoyment or has it become a necessity?

I wish I was still in the phase of enjoyment, but that ship has sailed many a years ago. Benzos for me are what the term 'necesity' means to most, as in I cant go a day without them. I generally take close to 10mgs of klonopin a day, along with alot of valium and 4mg of xanax to stop a panic attack. Throw some Ativan in there and a pack of Malboros and my day is set. And thats not including my 'Insomniac induced drug sleep cocktail', which would probaly kill most of you on this board (Trust me, thats nothing to be proud of).

THAT is all assuming you're a heavy user and constantly bombarding yourself with inebriation..to which I say giving it all a break for a while isn't a bad idea.

Can't stop now, i'll probaly die from the shit or probaly just bite the bullet once I get my inhebrition down enough; last time I tried to quit I went cold turkey and ending up having a seizure, got rushed to the ER in the middle of the night after scaring the living daylights out of my girlfreind not sleeping 5 feet away from me... and all to go back to my lovely shrink a week later who basiclly said "I told you dumbass" :rolleyes:

you DO have a tolerance if an 80 does nothing.

How do I have a tolerance to something that I never really do? If snorting an OC or popping some vics once or twice a month will give you w/ds, then half of you motherfuckers on here are going through opiate w/d's and not even knowing it. It's bullshit, im sorry to say.

In the end, Im going to take some of your guys advice; try a full potentiation courtesy of N0Warning and Mksnowboarder, pick up an extra 80 and just keep going till im nodding or dead on the floor.

[Piles Of Crack]

...'Insomniac induced drug sleep cocktail', which would probaly kill most of you on this board (Trust me, thats nothing to be proud of).

If it interests you, I'm pretty sure that Marathon Pharmaceuticals got Seconal back on the market as of last month for treatment-resistant insomnia. Not that I think it's a good idea for someone to take a powerful barbiturate alongside a literal handful of tranquilizers, but maybe your doctor could find a safe way for it to work alongside your benzos if you were interested and if he is as crooked as you say (and I think) he is...

I mean, there are definite cross-tolerance issues, but I know for a fact that Seconal is much more sedating than any benzo; I've taken it before.

And just for shits and giggles, just what does this "cocktail" consist of?

[mksnowboarder]

God, that would be nice. Unfortunately, I have to try too hard to get this fuck to keep me on a relatively small dose of klonopin. I'd kill for seconal.

mike

[Street_Pharmacist420]

If it interests you, I'm pretty sure that Marathon Pharmaceuticals got Seconal back on the market as of last month for treatment-resistant insomnia. Not that I think it's a good idea for someone to take a powerful barbiturate alongside a literal handful of tranquilizers, but maybe your doctor could find a safe way for it to work alongside your benzos if you were interested and if he is as crooked as you say (and I think) he is...

I mean, there are definite cross-tolerance issues, but I know for a fact that Seconal is much more sedating than any benzo; I've taken it before.

And just for shits and giggles, just what does this "cocktail" consist of?

Did they really? Good, when I see the bastard in two weeks Im going to bring it up, I mean he has no problem writing me a script for any tranquilizer/hypnotic known to man, I dont see why he would have a problem giving me Seconal. I'll let you know how it turns out, thanks POC.

And Street_Pharmacist420's soon-to-be patented 'Insomniac induced drug sleep coctail' consists of:

8mg xanax
6mg Ativan
20mg Ambien
80mg Valium
1-2 shots of your preferred hard liqour, rum usually does the trick for me
(On top of the benzos i take during the day)

Congradulations, you are almost asleep! (BTW, before I got Ambien I would substitute Seroquel or Trazadone, which made me more tired but it didnt feel as 'good.' Since Ambien is pretty much as close to a benzo as any other drug out there (nonbenzo), it has a much more 'clean' feeling.

[legituser]

You only really snort oxys for the rush. If you want it to last just pop it, drink some grapefruit juice to potentiate it, be high for hours.

Or just buy some fucking dope and get even higher.