i believe in jesus, but not god. i think jesus was just trying to get people to believe in god, so they would have something to fear all their lives. if people lived in fear of doing bad because of judgment day (which is a point in time that will never be reached), then they would have to be good, and i think jesus just wanted people to get along and do good. by including a god (supernatural, omnipresent, creator), you can fool people by saying god can do anything and can make anything happen. this is why many religions are similar, because the people who started it learned from the previous guy, and knew it could get more popular. also, why the fuck would god bother to make us, then if we believe in him, we go to heaven, and if we ignore him, we go to hell. what the fuck is the point. why did he give us choice? i think god (if god exists) takes sick pleasure in creating something and let it determine whether it lives forever in pain or pleasure. fuck that asshole, i hope he is happy. god is a whiny nerd with a squeaky voice that wants to get back on the people who caused him so much hell. god is no god, if he even exists. it all seems bullshit, don't live your life after a lie. do what you want and enjoy yourself, but try not to fuck over someone or it will come back on you. i put faith in karma, not god.

Excuse me while my karma just runs over your dogma.

You are overlooking the fact that the bible is mostly bs. There is no hell, that is another myth concocted by the priesthood to control the masses.

My god is all about love and creating, not judging or punishing.

I'm getting pretty sick of people whining about "if God exists why would he judge us and send us to hell forever? That's unfair, therefore he doesn't exist! OMG I FIGURED OUT THE TRUTH!"

Did you ever stop and think... hmm, maybe he exists but DOESN'T do what everyone says he does? Just *maybe* some people interpretted God in the way they wanted to, for their personal benefits? You can't believe everything everyone says. A design like this implies a designer, not some psychotic fuck that gets a kick out of putting people through pain only to have them suffer for eternity when they die. If God were judgemental as Christians and Catholics think, then human existence would be pretty much pointless. Who would want to live only to end up in a pool of fire forever? Fuck that, that God doesn't get my love.

I'd flip the bird to the Christian God and accept the God of the Near Death Experiences in a split-second. It's the same God though, just different interpretations. Seems the religious can't move beyond anything that was written 2000 years ago.



Word of advice, atheist: Before you claim atheism because of the christian beliefs, and because obviously that's the only belief of God you seem to know about, why dont you do a bit more research on stuff you dont hear about on the news every night, and from friends and relatives. There's more out there than meets the eye. Nothing wrong with being athiest though, it's cool and all... just don't accept christianity as the definition of God... I hate when people do that so much.

Goddamnit

athiest is not just anti-christianity. about the bible, if it isn't true, then why should i believe anything in it. if the book about a religion is false, how can i believe any of it. buddhism makes sense, christianity doesn't. oh yeah, i know that other religions believe in god, like the rastafarians. assumptions are always wrong. i guess that means it is wrong to assume. fuck you.

How does buddhism make sense? Buddha preached an escape from the cycle of rebirth to nirvana, a place of non-existence, the uncreated. Now where does that exist? How does that make sense? And buddha also said that there is no eternal self that reincarnates, only karma carries on, so you and i and every other, all cop the karma of some other person who came before us, they were not you or i in any sense of self, but we cop their karma! How does that make sense?

it doesn't.

but it's different than christianity which is it's only real appeal, i think.

"athiest is not just anti-christianity. about the bible, if it isn't true, then why should i believe anything in it."

childhood's end by arthur c. clarke is not true in any way.

by your definition then the planet earth should not exist.

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God damnit, You cannot prove God exists and you can't prove that he doesn't, you might be able to contradict what the church says he is, but you will never be able to prove or disprove that he exists, so I suggest you should take the benefit of the doubt, By the way, I don't believe things in the bible actually happened, except maybe a few, but I have a feeling God exists, things that cannot be explained or haven't yet been explained by Science, therefore I look to God, I mean isn't more comforting to know that someone always loves you and he will always forgive you and that there is a life after this one? I do. I really believe in Self manifested worlds, meaning that If you believe your God will save you, if you truly believe in it, it is true, but if you don't and you believe there isn't a God, than it won't, My theory hasn't been completely bugged out, and it probably never will, but this is about as close as I can get to making sense. By the way, all you people who try to test "God" you must realize that in most religions it says "Don't test God, he will not reveal himself because you don't believe in him/her"

It's because that which you can test is capable of falsification. If you can;t test something, you can't form a logical conclusion about it. hence the term, "Don't test God".

dude... atheism isn't about being anti-christian. I am an atheist but I follow some of what Jesus said. Jesus was a cool dude. Atheism is about not caring about religions, not being serious in religion, or just not believing.