About satanism What you see is what you are.

People that invoke that excuse to disqualify others, are too poor to find defects in their own relation with God, so they need to put the blame on some external factor...

Kind of the christian myth of 'luci-fer the giver of light'... The free, 'live' manifestation of light is supposedly evil because it disturbs their legions of igno-rant fanatics, and may enlighten people in a gentle way without the help of their sheppherds.

Thus, whatever is wider than their tiny consciousness, they call satanism... As they did in the middle ages.

So, when you hear accusations of 'satanism', or whatever exclusive terminology, be aware that the real satan(ethymology: Heb., 'that who crosses', 'cross') is in the ranks of those who use that childish mass-manipulation tool to frighten their flocks.

These are crossing you, they are in your way and want you to stay within the igno-rant populace. When they see you happy with God they feel the need to rant and disturb your cool.

But if you are really centered you won't hear their barking. Keep centered. Let the doom dogs bark... Let the good times roll.

I thought Satan was an earlier regional god the hebrews were trying to replace? The Lord of Flies was mesopotanian?

Also, if Lucifer is Prometheus.. aaargghh, the Jungian Archetypes,.. aarrggh

Satanism is so much a symbiote of christianity that I find it hard to take it seriously.

You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I suggest you go do alittle research on Satanism.

Maybe it would save a lot of confusion, if every mention of Satanism on this board was preceded by either 'LaVeyan' or 'Judeo-Christian'.

[This message has been edited by TigerJK (edited 06-27-2003).]

Right on tiger.

Now, the notion of dark service is not only christian. What is, is the notion that God cannot deal with imaginary 'rebels'.

The 'church of satan' actually divided into some 'temple of Set' which got rid of childish christian imagery. It is supposed to be a more intelligent approach, going into ancient dark gods. They have a site: www.xeper.org

BTW this topic is, how the christian notion of satan really is perverted, not inheritated, from the original hebrew bible. There is such a concept in sinaitic Judaism but it is - no way - not a 'rebel' against God's will(just an idiot idea! If God is almighty, none can be 'rebel', maximum you can act as if, but it will stay in the plan, you will just end up hurting yourself.) The idea in Judaism, is of the angel of death, who is also in charge of testing humans with the goal of stimulating their moral growth. So the legions of the angel of death will cross human ways and act as if it were an enemy, but deep inside the intent is to induce progress through challenge.

Now if you are dumb enough to trust the 'rebel satan' lies, you really live in a world of desolation, paranoia and deserve pity, or the people that you may influence deserve pity...

The approach of the TOS ought to be some kind of a scientific one: awareness of some mix of forces in the universe, and choice of one 'side', although questionable, is more harmonic to the structure of the world, thus more legitimate, than plain cosmogonic lies that even a 3 year old kid shouldn't believe.

tbone has another satan/crowley thread once again dedicated to his jewish god satan.

i never understood why it was called "satanism". Satan means adversary in ancient hebrew, he/they/it isnt/arent evil at all. Satan is not the adversary of God so to speak but instead the adversary of humanity. In Job it says Satan walked with God, this shows that Satan and God have a close relationship. It is my belief and quite a few others that Satan is the 2nd in command below God and that Satan brings forth evidence agaisnt humanities salvation.

Silverfights, you are a satan worshipper, proof being your belief in a rebel satan and in a feeble god that can't cope. Todes: An angel is not even 2nd in command, it is an executive, doesn't make decision.

No tbone, satan is your god. Your jewish god it seems. You certainly defend him a lot.

Satan is not 2nd in command next to God...satan is much lower. The archangel lucifer is much higher in the hierarchy than satan. Lucifer was much closer to God before he fell. Although he is a fallen angel, he is still very powerful...it would be foolish to think that he is not. Lucifer used to be a Seraphim angel...now, he is not.

One can say that lucifer and satan 'walked' with God before they rebelled and therefore fell.