Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

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Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Das Troll » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:28 am

Rios defines hypercriminalization as “the process by which an individual's everyday behaviors and styles become ubiquitously treated as deviant, risky, threatening, or criminal, across social contexts.” Pretty much no matter what you do going from point A to point B in society, you are doing something wrong. The laws are there, but the cops aren't enforcing them. Things like being in a certain area, doing a certain thing at a certain time of day, even sodomy is technically illegal. If everything is a crime, then you can always imprison your population. They can literally find something on the books to make you a criminal without having to make up some fake charge.

In the future we will have robots walking around under the control of the ruling class. With the click of a few buttons you can set your police bot from "let most stuff go" to "don't let anything go".

TL;DR there are too many laws on the books that will eventually be taken advantage of to imprison the local population.

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Enigma » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:20 am

It's going to be like the movie Minority Report where we start getting arrested for crimes before we even commit them.
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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by GrandMasterThief » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:59 am

Das Troll wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:28 am
Rios defines hypercriminalization as “the process by which an individual's everyday behaviors and styles become ubiquitously treated as deviant, risky, threatening, or criminal, across social contexts.” Pretty much no matter what you do going from point A to point B in society, you are doing something wrong. The laws are there, but the cops aren't enforcing them. Things like being in a certain area, doing a certain thing at a certain time of day, even sodomy is technically illegal. If everything is a crime, then you can always imprison your population. They can literally find something on the books to make you a criminal without having to make up some fake charge.

In the future we will have robots walking around under the control of the ruling class. With the click of a few buttons you can set your police bot from "let most stuff go" to "don't let anything go".

TL;DR there are too many laws on the books that will eventually be taken advantage of to imprison the local population.
but then theyre the bad guys so they lose the game
like the movie Minority Report
Youre right, I said this a million years ago on the old totse, crime is old fashioned or the old way of doing things for "crime", you have to be the best magickian or a wizard to proceed to the next level

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Das Troll » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:46 am

Bad guys almost always win though.

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by GrandMasterThief » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:56 pm

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Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:46 am
Bad guys almost always win though.
but if thats the case,

then the Government or the party that wishes to appear as the good guy would then lose against the bad guys, therefore forfeiting their choice to pursue, or ability to become either good and, or bad after they round up all citizens.

If the Government appears as the bad guys overtly, then its a plain jane good guys versus bad guys like nazis versus the allies. There is no winning for the evil bad guys in this scenario because everyone knows it.

If good guys run the Government and round up citizens and the bad guys lose by an improbably change, then the Government may appear to be the good guys after they round up citizens. Under the basic game logic we discussed the bad guys rounded up are still allowed to almost always win. This allows for ANYTHING (UFO's, Time Travellers, Helicopters. Bulldozer, Jail Break, etc.) to break the prisoners free from the round up location. Bad guys win and "good guys" lose the game.

If good guys run the Government and round up citizens and the bad guys lose by an improbably change, then the Government may appear to be the good guys after they round up citizens. Now the rounded up citizens are "good guys" as well, while the good guys in government simultaneously pull off a mask saying "HA-HA! IM THE BAD GUY!" I GET ALL THE PRIZES! The bad guy may proceed to appear good or bad moving forward. The rounded up citizens may be good or bad. If good guys run the Government and round up citizens and the bad guys lose by an improbably change, then the Government may appear to be the good guys after they round up citizens. This allows for EVEN MORE OUTCOMES, ANYTHING (UFO's, Time Travellers, Helicopters. Bulldozer, James Bond, Cryptids, Magic School Bus technology, angels, demons, ghosts, hollow earth citizens, elementals, goblins, elves, gnomes, archons, Yahweh, all demi-gods, deities, any fictional corporate logo, God and Satan sniper rifles, infinite ammo, infinite health, Jail Break, etc.) to assist either side

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Das Troll » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:09 am

Bad guys are bad through bad actions. You can claim to be a good guy while rounding up people for the labor camps, that doesn't make you a good guy.

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Enigma » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am

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Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:09 am
Bad guys are bad through bad actions. You can claim to be a good guy while rounding up people for the labor camps, that doesn't make you a good guy.
"good" and "bad" are confusing concepts. Look at it like this, we invade China and start killing Chinese people because they're the bad guys, right? Right. Now picture you're Chinese, minding your own business, when suddenly Americans start storming the town square because the prime minister didn't want to give the US president a deal on white rice. Is the Chinese guy the bad guy or the good guy if he starts killing Americans?
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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Das Troll » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:23 pm

Enigma wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:14 am
Das Troll wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:09 am
Bad guys are bad through bad actions. You can claim to be a good guy while rounding up people for the labor camps, that doesn't make you a good guy.
"good" and "bad" are confusing concepts. Look at it like this, we invade China and start killing Chinese people because they're the bad guys, right? Right. Now picture you're Chinese, minding your own business, when suddenly Americans start storming the town square because the prime minister didn't want to give the US president a deal on white rice. Is the Chinese guy the bad guy or the good guy if he starts killing Americans?
Killing non combatant civilians is pretty much always considered evil. In that case we would be evil for killing noncoms.

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Enigma » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:25 pm

In this scenario lets assume the Chinese people are fighting back because they're being invaded. Let's also assume for the sake of the scenario the reason they won't give up the rice is because the president is on record calling them chinks.
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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Das Troll » Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:11 pm

Enigma wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:25 pm
In this scenario lets assume the Chinese people are fighting back because they're being invaded. Let's also assume for the sake of the scenario the reason they won't give up the rice is because the president is on record calling them chinks.
No civvie would fight because some leader from another country called them chinks. Now you would be better off thinking of it as something that actually happened, the Vietnam war. The civilian population ended up fighting back against their invaders (US). In that case who was evil? I think you'd have to boil it down to the action. Burning a village down because you've been harried for the past month from an enemy you can't see is a evil thing to do. But on that same token, sending in kids with shine boxes filled with explosives is also pretty fucking evil as well.

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Enigma » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:05 am

Nah, I'm over it. I gave a pretty simple example of how good and bad are subjective, but you keep pressing on details that don't really matter for the sake of the example.

You aren't even reading the example. I didn't say they'd fight because they got called chinks, I said they wouldn't cut as a deal on rice because we called them chinks, so we retaliated and invaded them. They'd be protecting their home at that point.
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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by Das Troll » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:43 pm

Guess I read it wrong.

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Re: Hypercriminalization now, gulags in the future

Post by GrandMasterThief » Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:27 pm

Das Troll wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:09 am
Bad guys are bad through bad actions. You can claim to be a good guy while rounding up people for the labor camps, that doesn't make you a good guy.
You can't deny you subscribe to mask theory, that a bad guy can be a good guy, however, only upon point of actually carrying out the bad act, does it actually make them the bad guy, like when Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader. While technically Anakin is Darth Vader, and Anakin as well Darth Vader exist at the same time, he is clearly known and acknowledged as Darth Vader, who indeed in a way claims to be a good guy, even to the point of running his galactic republic or whatever, but certainly the marginal outsiders of the empire like Obi-Wan see him as a bad guy, when the fact is that Obi-Wan was a good guy.

This outcome has no clear ending. Just like you said, its like World War 2, or it can have aliens and a number of other supernatural influences like elves, fairies, gnomes, and hollow earth inhabitants that Adolf Hitler allegedly contacted with the Thule Society. In addition the other side may summon other deities, such as Neptune. World War 2 was a high level wizard war, they literally named it after that one scene: "operation neptune", referring to the astrological nature of the conflict

One cannot claim that good and bad are subjective, yet at the same time we can't admit good and bad are absolute truths or even cultural universals over time. What if in the next universe: Ashanti, who may symbolize the Black Madonna, the Divine Black Feminine, is the Creator God, and the Divine White Masculine is Rah Digga, or Flipmode Satan? ? I think time, space, and being transforms, shape-shifts, or changes

Also Ashanti can even give birth to babies of all races, white babies, asian babies, native american babies, and all by herself

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