Shake and Bake method

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by ThaProphet » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:23 pm

Thank you enigma (and not sure where you would have seen this nickname before). Anyway, I can find one called Actifed. Which has 60mg pseudo and 2.5mg triprolidine. Unfortunately chemistry is not my cup of tea. So I'm kind of clueless when it comes to it.

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Enigma » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:09 pm

I would think the extraction process is ultimately the same. You might end up with some contam, but that's to be expected with meth.
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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by ThaProphet » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:37 am

Just wasn't sure if the Tripolidine would create some unwanted reactions. About the starter fuel (diethyl ether), can I just use a pure bottle of diethyl ether? Or does it have to be starter fuel (which I assume it has other chemicals in it necessary for the reaction)?

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Enigma » Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:35 am

No, starter fluid is just what's less sus to get around here. You can use the direct chemical.


Just a tip too: There are some wild plants that contain Ephedera, which is like 1 step away from being meth. I don't know shit about Portugal so it's up to you to do your own research
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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by ThaProphet » Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:54 am

I have had a look into the plant. However, seems like they only grow in the south of Portugal (I'm up north near Porto). Even if I managed to get my hands on some, I wouldn't know how to extract ephedra from the plant. Doubt I just have to mash it/blend it? I've no idea.

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Enigma » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:01 pm

I'm pretty sure you could just eat the plant and get high the same way you can chew cocoa leaves and get high.
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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by ThaProphet » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:23 pm

Okay so, I found someone who can get mdma. I've never tried it, not sure what it's like. The primary reason I want meth, is to get the energy boost. Is it possible to turn mdma into meth? Is the high the same? Do you still get those insane reaction times and energy boost? Sorry for being a pain 😁

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Enigma » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:29 am

No, no, and no. MDMA is a completely different drug. You may get some of the same euphoria, but it's not gonna keep you up or anything.

Not a problem either, I appreciate the honest questions and that I can almost answer them.
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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by ThaProphet » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:20 am

The reason I asked was this:

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Methamphetamine :
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To someone that doesn't really understand those pictures (me), it looks very very similar. That being the reason I asked if it was possible.

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Enigma » Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:27 am

Oh, yeah, I don't understand pictures either, I just know from experience they're not the same.
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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Throwaway » Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:31 am

So you want to go to the burn ward cause this is how you get there

But uh for anyone without chemistry knowledge maybe start here



Very educational and informative especially why you don't use a fucking plastic bottle

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Re: Shake and Bake method

Post by Enigma » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 am

Here's everything contained within that link you tried to post:

All credit for reaction goes to Buffalo Whisperer for his BAKE, then shake method.

This is for GUPS (Ground Up Pills)

What the fuck am I doing?

https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/c...h.mrclean.html
https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/c...ch.pseudo.html
http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/crystal/000468062

The idea behind the reaction is this

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Do I need water?

DO NOT USE ANY WATER!!

1 gram of water can use up 10grams of lithium, more lithium = more heat which means more chance of explosion/fire. Keep everything anhydrous as possible.

Don't use Ammonium Nitrate unless you happen to have lots of it laying around!!
Ammonium Sulfate is much cheaper and easier to get in large quantities
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SUPPLIES NEEDED

2oz Ammonium Suflate

2oz Lye

2L Plastic Bottle

1 cup to 1 and a half cup coleman fuel. You can also use isopropyl alcohol, xylene or ethanol.
1 AA Lithium Strip per 2 grams. half strip for one box

THE REACTION

Add all of the above then add 1 AA strip Per 2 Boxes of 2400 mg. or half strip for 1 box..



leave the PSE out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Shake her up if its not audibly or visually starting to make gas well.

Leave the lid cracked for a few minutes at a time then shut and shake until it starts to build press.

Slowly burp. hiss and quickly a few times. keep an eye on it. for when it really starts to go.



Don't shake it at all after the gas starts to go .. nope. your done shaking it for now unless it is having a hard time starting to make the gas. If so shake and pressurise release etc. until its starting to come to life/ pressurize basically at an ok rate then quit the shaking until later.

Let it pressurize up and tend to it, let it out slowly now and then too keep it within a workable pressure it will after 25/45 minutes be making the bronze that you want and lots of it.

When3/4 to 7/8 or all of the strip has turned to the red/ lion bronze etc. puddle-

Slowly release the pressure to get the cap off.. dont fuck around and get the funnel on it.

Slowly sprinkle the fine ground gups into and on top of the bronze, don't take all day. But don't just plop the whole powder load right down on top of it either.

The PSE is in. Lid on .Shake quickly for 10 seconds or so and let the precursors settle/ be watching for any Lith. thats down in the granule layer. Circular swing/twist the bottle to get a whirlpool in there to get the lith floating and up out of the granular layer after each shake. Keep the lith out of that bottom.

Shake and vent like before trying to keep at least a little pressure on the thing. Shake vent etc. the bronze will be used up and it will go grey, blue, sometimes almost black- the solvent.

Go nuts and shake the fucker.

After about 15 to 20 minutes let it sit still after you shake it, watching the solvent ,that is now a healthy grey chocolate milk looking sob.Let it sit still for 3 to five minutes watching at the top of the solvent line for the solvent to clear up..

It will clear up from the top down like the vertical hold on a TV. the farther you are along= the faster it will clear up.

When you can watch it.. after a quick shake.. ----> clear up real quick, like under a minute and the grey 'lithium amide' comes to rest on top of the fert/lye layer.. It's done.

Its also done when sometimes the bronze is all used up. All gone from floating on top. The solvent is clear then also right after that happens.

Go ahead and loosen the cap so it bleeds the pressure off, and leave it fairly loose for a few minutes to let most of the gas react and get up out through the solvent.

Tighten the cap.

Two filters only in a not craZY humid environment.. and with a real free flowing small paper towel plug in the neck or a cotton ball or two tip the bottle slowly trying to keep the media in the bottom of the bottle get the fluid/solvent to go down and with the bottle tilted get the solvent line above the whole cap.

Carefully loosen the cap and feed the solvent out and around the cap while its tilted swiftly down through the funnel.

This is a quick as possible rough filter, we want this done this is a dangerous step if there is any bronze floating in that pool of solvent in the funnel. Get it done quickly and pick your enviro wisely for this step, dont pull this on top of the washing machine with a can of camp fuel rubbing elbows with you or jars of solvent etc near any of this.

Reasoning here.. if its extremely humid the floating bronze can get itchy and real pissed off firefly style when the solvent has run all through the funnel and its sitting there in the real h20 laden air.

When the solvent has run through quickly twist up the 2 filters and wring them out very quickly over the funnel- just squeeze the fucker once and that's it, if there is bronze in them you will hear them hiss and groan. Drop the two filters into the reaction vessel then immediately. And cap it.

Pull the cotton balls or plug from the neck and do the same.

Get the Vessel the fuck outside or to a fire safe place. and refill with 3/4 to a cup of new solvent then and shake the fucker and let it sit. In a safe Place!!!

Now Get yourself another vessel like the one you have your solvent in now and make sure its clean dry and at least luke warm or room temp.

Pour the solvent from one vessel to the other 5 to 10 times.

Check the smell of the solvent.

The AA is completely gone yea?

Yep...all gone.

Clean the empty vessel thoroughly and dry and room temp or luke warm it.

Clean and dry the funnel well inside and out and fit it with one or two tightly packed cotton balls or a nice decent paper towel plug or both a plug and a cotton ball or two half ass tight on top of it and place two filters on top of these.

Pre wet /pour a small amount of the same solvent you used / new stuff this time.. through the funnel and adjust the plug for a decent/ good filtration.

Finish filter the solvent now.

When its all filtered shove the filters and the plugs,cttnballs into the Reaction Vessel and recap immediately after its done filtering. This cuts the stinky factor down of the solvent in your enviro.. and keeps a handle on it.

Gas the solvent.


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Put the gupps in after the bronze, this allows less precursors for the rxn, which means better yield, less shit in there to trap the freebase Ma for it to cling get all mixed and mingled into.

The rxn between the Amm Nitrate and Sodium Hydroxide runs a lot better when the guppy pill mass isnt getting into the way in between the two.

You get by with less Lithium to make the bronze because you aren't shaking it and ramming it into the fert lye layer using up the bronze dicking around trying to make the gas to make the bronze etc. etc. You make the bronze with minimal Nh3 precursors and don't shake/waste any bronze.

Any adulterant in the pill mass to counter act the rxn and or cripple the rxn between the two to get to or severely slow down the bronze endpoint is driven around.

The Bronze is already made before the P. Mass gets in there. Giving them a big fuck you.

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The finished product won't be crystal but it should look something like this

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The link you tried posting LITERALLY says to use a plastic bottle, plus if they're so hard up for traffic that they need to advertise here maybe they should just give it up.

Also, I fixed up the massive amount of spelling and grammatical errors.
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