Heaven or Hell

[Lil' bag o' Waggy Bash]

This is my first post, so .... yeah, er ... I just wanna babble about religion really, with other people, to try and learn some shit.

Otay, so according to the bible, when people die they either go to Heaven or Hell. For the rest of eternity I presume. If you ask God for forgiveness for all your sins before you die then you get to go to Heaven. But if you fail ........ YOU ARE BANISHED TO HELL! Seems a bit extreme to me but fair diccums.

Ok, now Christians also state that the only way to God is through Jesus. Which suggests that any non-christian who claims to have a relationship with God is lying. So they can't ask for forgiveness. So everyone like, I dunno, Ghandi and Buddha and shit loads of wonderful non-christian people are all big fat liars and don't really have a relationship with God @ all. All the good people who have done wonders for the world are all burning in hell by the hand of a "just God". Ghandi must be like "Ah shit! I knew I shoulda turned away from my Islamic beliefs, my entire culture and way of life and become a Christian instead. That way I wouldn't be spending the rest of eternity getting buggered by flaming demon cocks". And at the same time as this a bunch of people who have spent their time on earth being total and utter evil cunts have confessed their sins and asked God for forgiveness and so get to spend the rest of time in the most beautiful place possibly imaginable. Seems a tad bit unfair to me.

[Lil' bag o' Waggy Bash]

Would one of you slags reply to my post. I need confirmation that i didn't sound like a complete knob and that my wise words of wisdom are not being utterly ignored. Cheers.

[SurahAhriman]

quote:Originally posted by Lil' bag o' Waggy Bash:

This is my first post, so .... yeah, er ... I just wanna babble about religion really, with other people, to try and learn some shit.

Otay, so according to the bible, when people die they either go to Heaven or Hell. For the rest of eternity I presume. If you ask God for forgiveness for all your sins before you die then you get to go to Heaven. But if you fail ........ YOU ARE BANISHED TO HELL! Seems a bit extreme to me but fair diccums.

Ok, now Christians also state that the only way to God is through Jesus. Which suggests that any non-christian who claims to have a relationship with God is lying. So they can't ask for forgiveness. So everyone like, I dunno, Ghandi and Buddha and shit loads of wonderful non-christian people are all big fat liars and don't really have a relationship with God @ all. All the good people who have done wonders for the world are all burning in hell by the hand of a "just God". Ghandi must be like "Ah shit! I knew I shoulda turned away from my Islamic beliefs, my entire culture and way of life and become a Christian instead. That way I wouldn't be spending the rest of eternity getting buggered by flaming demon cocks". And at the same time as this a bunch of people who have spent their time on earth being total and utter evil cunts have confessed their sins and asked God for forgiveness and so get to spend the rest of time in the most beautiful place possibly imaginable. Seems a tad bit unfair to me.

First, though Gandhi was nominally a Hindu (not Muslim), he said he was "a hindu, and a muslim, and a buddhist, and a christian, and a jew. And so are all of you. We are all brothers." As for the rest of them, Dante called them the virtuous pagans, and they reside in Limbo, technically in hell, though the only suffering they bear is the absence of God. Of course, that only applied to those who dies before christ. After that, you had fair warning. "Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in HELL"

/Samuel Jackson

[Lil' bag o' Waggy Bash]

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

First, though Gandhi was nominally a Hindu (not Muslim), he said he was "a hindu, and a muslim, and a buddhist, and a christian, and a jew. And so are all of you. We are all brothers."

Hmmm, so did Gandhi pray to Jesus? And Buddha? And Mohammed or whatever? I don't really see how someone can belong to multiple religions when religions often lay down set rules and beliefs that will conflict with one-another.

[---Beany---]

I agree iwth you. It is unfair, but I don't believe in that anyway. I'm not a christian.

I believe we all eventually get to heaven (Heaven being a re-uniting with god consciousness).

I believe we are all parts of god and have been made to forget who we are (God) for the purpous of exeriencing and remembering the wonder of who we are, for if we already knew the wonder wouldn't be there.

Through lifetimes of experiencing we gradually remember who we really are. This is wisdom. Eventually we remember that we are also a part of god, and then live the experience of being him.

[This message has been edited by ---Beany--- (edited 04-19-2004).]

[Lil' bag o' Waggy Bash]

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

I agree iwth you. It is unfair, but I don't believe in that anyway. I'm not a christian.

I believe we all eventually get to heaven (Heaven being a re-uniting with god consciousness).

I believe we are all parts of god and have been made to forget who we are (God) for the purpous of exeriencing and remembering the wonder of who we are, for if we already knew the wonder wouldn't be there.

Through lifetimes of experiencing we gradually remember who we really are. This is wisdom. Eventually we remember that we are also a part of god, and then live the experience of being him.

[This message has been edited by ---Beany--- (edited 04-19-2004).]

Cool. I like your theory. I'm not a Christian either. I don't really know what I believe when it comes to things like how we got here and why we're here and whether or not there is a God. I like getting really fuckin' stoned and pondering on the concept of infinity. The infinity of time, the infinity of space. If time is infinite and has no beginning and no end, then how can we ever be sure of how we got here? And how can we know what preceded us in time, and what will follow? And if space is infinitely big and inifinitely small, then we as humans have no idea what else exists within the universe. There could be universes within atoms for all we know. And our universe could be part of an atom within something else. We have no way of measuring the scale of things because it's only relative to our human form.