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The way I see it, people explain with hairbrained explanations like all we see and know today came from a giant explosion a hundred gillion years ago, which then after a few more countless years stuff cooled off and life spontaneously appeared and then evolved to where we are at today.
It's like saying somebody found a watch in the woods, all perfectly fabricated an everything, it just naturally formed there from all the metal coming up out of the ground, chemicals from various plants/sources oozing out, all converging into one little spot where it all formed to create a perfect working clock system.
Our earth is basicly a watch, 360 days, seasons, many things that work together i.e. ecosystems and whatever else that didn't come into mind.
Basicly, a perfectly calibrated and set working planet just doesn't just appear out of nowhere, and then spawn humans capable of emotions/beliefs/philosophy and everything else.
There is definately a supreme being watching over at all times.
Edit- screwed up sentence.
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Many clocks are natural. Thus it's no suprise to walk around one day and find something that keeps time. No God needed.
Merlinman2005
2006-07-19, 05:49
how are we calibrated?
the earth isn't a clock. seasons occur because of our relation to the sun. not because gaia decides it's been 3 months since the last.
also, bad analogy. you can't find a watch in the woods when there is no woods. anyway, things could have turned out countless other ways, it was CHANCE that everything is how it is now. I'm not saying that we're perfect thanks to chance, i'm saying we don't know what other directions we could have gone, for better or worse, doesn't matter.
The result of the earth and other solar systems is billions and billions of years of rocks hitting eachother and things crashing. Even the earths orbit is not perfect and will one day either crash or get blown up by the sun. Give pigs billions years to evolve and they will eventually fly.
Read "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins.
---Beany---
2006-07-19, 12:28
How can you aregue about a gods existence when there are so many definitions of "God"?
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Our earth is basicly a watch, 360 days, seasons, many things that work together i.e. ecosystems and whatever else that didn't come [/B]
This made me laugh, your 5 and some decimals off on 360 days in a year. The real length of an year is ~ 365.25 give or take. It was man that decided to make it an even 365 or 366 days with leap years, leap seconded and what not.
Just like man made a pocket watch you might find on the ground.
And some what analogous to how I believe man invented or at the very lest humanized God.
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jb_mcbean
2006-07-19, 14:11
quote:Originally posted by Jojoman:
Blah blah blah blah, usual creationist nonsense. (without even the originality, I might add to use a different analogy from William Paley's watch one)
You fail because;
A- You used an analogy as evidence, just because something may appear similar, doesn't mean it's the same.
B- If there was a 'watchmaker' in the sky with all his 'omnipotence' and 'benevolence', then he'd be a blind one, look at how fucked up everything around you is, this watchmaker crafted a universe that will eventually collapse in on itself, thus rendering all human endeavour ultimately pointless.
C- There are many factors in the universe which can alter the synchronicity of the orbits of cellestial bodies at any given moment, thus rendering your claims of a perfectly callibrated earth null and void.
D- There are 365 days in a year.
Mellow_Fellow
2006-07-19, 17:05
Wow dude, you fail in logic and common sense. Your teleological argument example was...kinda crap really.
Do some more realistic thinking ^_^
Considering we know natural mechanisms for a number of things listed in the OP. It's more like finding a watch in the forest, walking right past the giant "Acme co. Watch assembly plant" and declaring the watch a miracle from God.
Jake_golding
2006-07-19, 17:51
I fail to see why the complexity of the universe automatically leads to the existence of a deity.
random_jew
2006-07-19, 17:59
it doesnt matter how good your points are but its *basically*.
Also, for those reading this that may not know.
•The big bang wasn't an explosion but an expansion of spacetime and energy (big difference).
•It occurred aprox 14 billion years ago.
•"life" didn't arise spontaneously but through chemical processes that created the first self replicating chemicals (the first of which is hardly what most would consider "life")
Although the OP really sounds like a joke post, there are enough people that think like it to warrant responses.
SafeAsMilk
2006-07-20, 03:07
Your analogy is horrible.
Intelligent Design isn't only limited to a god. For all you know, we could have been planted here by aliens.
If we evolved to live comfortably on mercury or mars, we would think that earth would be a horrible place to live and that our home planet is a one-of-a-kind product of some sort of divine being. It just depends on your viewpoint.
Edit: spelling
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There's also the example I was reading on Wikipedia (and I checked the math myself), that there's a 1 in 630 or so billion chance of drawing any particular hand of 13 cards, and yet you're not going to pick up a hand of cards, decide it's too improbable you got that particular hand, and that God must have selected it for you.
Viraljimmy
2006-07-20, 10:29
". . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise."
- Douglas Adams
You all know what I'd say.
quote:Originally posted by Q777:
And some what analogous to how I believe man invented or at the very lest humanized God.
Humanizing god. Is that not an attempt to define ourselves in relation to something? In order to define ourselves we attempt to define something greater than ourselves so we attach similar attributes to god?
Wrathful, jealous, loving, forgiving, etc. Those are all human attributes.
Then we attempt to attach greater attributes, attributes that expand above that?
omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnificent.
Humans do not like not knowing, but at some point, have to accept that we are not all-knowing.
So you took Year 9 Religious Studies and think you're some kind of f**king guru?
Please.
quote:Originally posted by Jojoman:
The way I see it, people explain with hairbrained explanations like all we see and know today came from a giant explosion a hundred gillion years ago, which then after a few more countless years stuff cooled off and life spontaneously appeared and then evolved to where we are at today.
First, there is a hell of a lot that you don't understand about the big bang and evolution.
Second, this makes a hell of a lot more sense than you saying that some dude (we have no idea how HE came into being) got up one day around ten thousand years ago and decided to spontaneously create life and so now everything is the way it is today. Religion is primitive. Face reality.
quote:Originally posted by Jojoman:
The way I see it, people explain with hairbrained explanations like all we see and know today came from a giant explosion a hundred gillion years ago, which then after a few more countless years stuff cooled off and life spontaneously appeared and then evolved to where we are at today.
Yeah, sounds to me like you don't even wanne bother doing research or even think about the matter. Not worth it.
King_Cotton
2006-07-21, 04:20
The universe is a pretty random place. Don't rule out the fact that we could all just be random consequences of spontaneous actions.
Cooking with Zyklon B
2006-07-21, 08:24
quote:Originally posted by Aseren:
Yeah, sounds to me like you don't even wanne bother doing research or even think about the matter. Not worth it.
Well for people like him, thats what religion is for, it does the thinking for him and provides an answer that can't exactly be proved or disproved.
quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:
How can you aregue about a gods existence when there are so many definitions of "God"?
Beany, is . da . jeenous.
EVERYONE, is discussing something completely different.
"Dude is this blue"
"Nah that's green"
"wtf, no it's blue"
"stfu it's green"
"Dude THIS CHAIR IS BLUE!"
"THIS MOTHERFUCING PLANT IS GREEN!"
Merlinman2005
2006-07-21, 18:22
quote:Originally posted by ate:
Beany, is . da . jeenous.
EVERYONE, is discussing something completely different.
"Dude is this blue"
"Nah that's green"
"wtf, no it's blue"
"stfu it's green"
"Dude THIS CHAIR IS BLUE!"
"THIS MOTHERFUCING PLANT IS GREEN!"
roffle
Einstein
2006-08-19, 03:46
quote:Originally posted by Jojoman:
The way I see it, people explain with hairbrained explanations like all we see and know today came from a giant explosion a hundred gillion years ago, which then after a few more countless years stuff cooled off and life spontaneously appeared and then evolved to where we are at today.
It's like saying somebody found a watch in the woods, all perfectly fabricated an everything, it just naturally formed there from all the metal coming up out of the ground, chemicals from various plants/sources oozing out, all converging into one little spot where it all formed to create a perfect working clock system.
Our earth is basicly a watch, 360 days, seasons, many things that work together i.e. ecosystems and whatever else that didn't come into mind.
Basicly, a perfectly calibrated and set working planet just doesn't just appear out of nowhere, and then spawn humans capable of emotions/beliefs/philosophy and everything else.
There is definately a supreme being watching over at all times.
Edit- screwed up sentence.
Read the blind watchmaker...
after you read it u'll be embarrassed for posting this
edit: sp
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psychedelicious
2006-08-19, 06:30
quote:Originally posted by Jojoman:
It's like saying somebody found a watch in the woods, all perfectly fabricated an everything, it just naturally formed there from all the metal coming up out of the ground, chemicals from various plants/sources oozing out, all converging into one little spot where it all formed to create a perfect working clock system.
If the universe is infinite, eventually something like that would happen.
PerpetualBurn
2006-08-19, 17:30
The analogy is perfect because we all know that watches are capable of sexual reproduction.
This thread is clever.
if you are talking about equations for gravity, radiation and BB use
google: Multiverse theory.
1 out of 10.000.000 planets develop life.
and so you ask: Why our planet?
The answer is simple my friend.
it's a couinci.. Cuincy...´Eh... Never mind, you know what i mean: that the earth has life is just pure luck. If it had been any other planet, lgm's would have asked the very same question, its eneviteble(Spelled that right?) assuming that an intelligent lifeform would develop.
burymeag
2006-08-20, 14:26
I think god excistence but everything in the universe is set to make sense, if we keep studing something we will evantualy learn how it works and have explantaions for it,
god tho, just kicks back and waits for people who are more interstead in him then one of his universe lol