There is a God.

[Jojoman]

The way I see it, people explain with hairbrained explanations like all we see and know today came from a giant explosion a hundred gillion years ago, which then after a few more countless years stuff cooled off and life spontaneously appeared and then evolved to where we are at today.

It's like saying somebody found a watch in the woods, all perfectly fabricated an everything, it just naturally formed there from all the metal coming up out of the ground, chemicals from various plants/sources oozing out, all converging into one little spot where it all formed to create a perfect working clock system.

Our earth is basicly a watch, 360 days, seasons, many things that work together i.e. ecosystems and whatever else that didn't come into mind.

Basicly, a perfectly calibrated and set working planet just doesn't just appear out of nowhere, and then spawn humans capable of emotions/beliefs/philosophy and everything else.

There is definately a supreme being watching over at all times.

Edit- screwed up sentence.

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[Beta69]

Many clocks are natural. Thus it's no suprise to walk around one day and find something that keeps time. No God needed.

[Merlinman2005]

how are we calibrated?

the earth isn't a clock. seasons occur because of our relation to the sun. not because gaia decides it's been 3 months since the last.

also, bad analogy. you can't find a watch in the woods when there is no woods. anyway, things could have turned out countless other ways, it was CHANCE that everything is how it is now. I'm not saying that we're perfect thanks to chance, i'm saying we don't know what other directions we could have gone, for better or worse, doesn't matter.

[Vargv]

The result of the earth and other solar systems is billions and billions of years of rocks hitting eachother and things crashing. Even the earths orbit is not perfect and will one day either crash or get blown up by the sun. Give pigs billions years to evolve and they will eventually fly.

[bonkers]

Read "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins.

[---Beany---]

How can you aregue about a gods existence when there are so many definitions of "God"?

[Q777]

quote:

Our earth is basicly a watch, 360 days, seasons, many things that work together i.e. ecosystems and whatever else that didn't come [/b]

This made me laugh, your 5 and some decimals off on 360 days in a year. The real length of an year is ~ 365.25 give or take. It was man that decided to make it an even 365 or 366 days with leap years, leap seconded and what not.

Just like man made a pocket watch you might find on the ground.

And some what analogous to how I believe man invented or at the very lest humanized God.



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[jb_mcbean]

quote:Originally posted by Jojoman:

Blah blah blah blah, usual creationist nonsense. (without even the originality, I might add to use a different analogy from William Paley's watch one)

You fail because;

A- You used an analogy as evidence, just because something may appear similar, doesn't mean it's the same.

B- If there was a 'watchmaker' in the sky with all his 'omnipotence' and 'benevolence', then he'd be a blind one, look at how fucked up everything around you is, this watchmaker crafted a universe that will eventually collapse in on itself, thus rendering all human endeavour ultimately pointless.

C- There are many factors in the universe which can alter the synchronicity of the orbits of cellestial bodies at any given moment, thus rendering your claims of a perfectly callibrated earth null and void.

D- There are 365 days in a year.

[Mellow_Fellow]

Wow dude, you fail in logic and common sense. Your teleological argument example was...kinda crap really.

Do some more realistic thinking ^_^

[Beta69]

Considering we know natural mechanisms for a number of things listed in the OP. It's more like finding a watch in the forest, walking right past the giant "Acme co. Watch assembly plant" and declaring the watch a miracle from God.