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Obiwanshinobi000
2006-10-15, 04:48
So after painstaking months of convicing. I finally got my girlfriend to see the light of my belief of how ridiculus the idea of any type of god is. Thats not what im saying though. My girlfriends parents are making her go to church tommorow(they just started going back to church recently themselves) But she is about 18 and a half and so am I. I was invited to go to church with them. What should I do totse? Can anyone help me think of a way to get my girlfriend out of being forced to go to church.
PS. If my girlfriends parents found out she didn't believe in god, they would hit her. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)
MasterPython
2006-10-15, 05:11
She should concider moving out. If her parents really are irational people prone to violence what makes you think anything either of you could say or do to stop them from going balistic.
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king koopa
2006-10-15, 05:13
If her parents are willing to hit her because she doesn't believe in God then they are fucked up. My parents don't know I don't believe in God but I know they wouldn't hit me for it.
you realize that "enlightening" your girlfriend by forcing athiesm on her and subverting her faith is no better than the asshole christians who force their religion on people. why cant you just accept other peoples beliefs?
anyway as for going to church, why not just go? it'l keep your girlfriend's parents happy, and it's only an hour of your life. unless its a very small church, just sit somewhere away from her parents and read through it.
Obiwanshinobi000
2006-10-15, 06:47
quote:Originally posted by nametag:
you realize that "enlightening" your girlfriend by forcing athiesm on her and subverting her faith is no better than the asshole christians who force their religion on people. why cant you just accept other peoples beliefs?
anyway as for going to church, why not just go? it'l keep your girlfriend's parents happy, and it's only an hour of your life. unless its a very small church, just sit somewhere away from her parents and read through it.
I didnt push it on her. I just pointed shit out like, if god was real he would let drunken hillybillies stuff firecrackers in kittens assholes. And the fact that when she told her former friends from another county that she wasn't sure if she believed in god anymore they stopped being her friend solely because of this. That was one of the main things that made her lose faith. Her friends not being friends with her just because she didnt believe sounded pretty ridiculus to her too.
havent you heard? everytime you masturbate god kills a kitten, drunken hillbillies are just one of his many preferred methods.
Anyway, back on topic. just because you think her beliefs are inferior to your own doesn't make it ok to shoot them down, i mean is she really better off an athiest? her friends left her (i know its retarded but it happens) and when her parents find out there is going to be some drama. i guess what im saying is, theres not really any reason to try and convert someone else to your religion because what usually happens is either A. theyre a devout believer, wont change, and become offended. or B. they do convert, but are shunned by their friends and family, and become unhappy. the point im getting at is, why? whats the point of converting her to athiesm?
Obiwanshinobi000
2006-10-15, 21:25
quote:Originally posted by nametag:
havent you heard? everytime you masturbate god kills a kitten, drunken hillbillies are just one of his many preferred methods.
Anyway, back on topic. just because you think her beliefs are inferior to your own doesn't make it ok to shoot them down, i mean is she really better off an athiest? her friends left her (i know its retarded but it happens) and when her parents find out there is going to be some drama. i guess what im saying is, theres not really any reason to try and convert someone else to your religion because what usually happens is either A. theyre a devout believer, wont change, and become offended. or B. they do convert, but are shunned by their friends and family, and become unhappy. the point im getting at is, why? whats the point of converting her to athiesm?
I didn't try to, it just kind of happened. I dont know, it probably just rubbed off. IF there was a point, it would be because if she was a devout believe I wouldn't be able to stand her. Besides, why do believers have to convert athiests too?
i know man, christians trying to convert left and right is just as bad, because when you try to convert someone your basically saying. my beliefs are better than yours, you must be misguided or stupid for having the faith you do, so i will change you to make you like me. it goes back to what i said before though, people should just respect other peoples differences and beliefs, however i know this is about as likely to happen as world peace. However the christians kind of have an exscuse, theyre faith encourages witnessing to others, however athiesm ofter talks about how forcing religion is wrong (the same applies to non-religion) so it makes you look like a hypocrite, my advice? don't talk about your beliefs, and dont ask about other peoples. religion (or lack thereof) should be personal. Oh and my parents had me go to church today for the first time in weeks, it wasn't that bad at all, i just read through it. I don't see what the big deal about going to church is. it's not like brainwashing or anything, you just sit there and some guy talks, you dont have to listen.
also im a complete techincal noob and this is the first forum i havnt lurked on so i dont know how to quote, but in your op you said this
"So after painstaking months of convicing. I finally got my girlfriend to see the light of my belief of how ridiculus the idea of any type of god is."
that seems a hell of alot like forcing it on her to me.
MidnightRambler
2006-10-15, 21:49
quote:Originally posted by nametag:
also im a complete techincal noob and this is the first forum i havnt lurked on so i dont know how to quote, but in your op you said this
"So after painstaking months of convicing. I finally got my girlfriend to see the light of my belief of how ridiculus the idea of any type of god is."
that seems a hell of alot like forcing it on her to me.
I agree. But if her parents would hit her, then they aren't really Christian.
Hexadecimal
2006-10-15, 21:52
quote:Originally posted by nametag:
also im a complete techincal noob and this is the first forum i havnt lurked on so i dont know how to quote, but in your op you said this
"So after painstaking months of convicing. I finally got my girlfriend to see the light of my belief of how ridiculus the idea of any type of god is."
that seems a hell of alot like forcing it on her to me.
Nice spotting. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)
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Obiwanshinobi000
2006-10-15, 22:23
quote:Originally posted by nametag:
i know man, christians trying to convert left and right is just as bad, because when you try to convert someone your basically saying. my beliefs are better than yours, you must be misguided or stupid for having the faith you do, so i will change you to make you like me. it goes back to what i said before though, people should just respect other peoples differences and beliefs, however i know this is about as likely to happen as world peace. However the christians kind of have an exscuse, theyre faith encourages witnessing to others, however athiesm ofter talks about how forcing religion is wrong (the same applies to non-religion) so it makes you look like a hypocrite, my advice? don't talk about your beliefs, and dont ask about other peoples. religion (or lack thereof) should be personal. Oh and my parents had me go to church today for the first time in weeks, it wasn't that bad at all, i just read through it. I don't see what the big deal about going to church is. it's not like brainwashing or anything, you just sit there and some guy talks, you dont have to listen.
Just the idea of it though, its not like she wants to go, anyways she made up some bullshit excuse to get out of it. It wouldn't really be so stupid if maybe her parents were always going to church, but they just now started going back or somthing. Its like, what the fuck, why dont you just go all the time like you are supposed to. I didnt try to convert her, she gave up the belief in god of her own free will.
Hexadecimal
2006-10-15, 22:39
Its like, what the fuck, why dont you just go all the time like you are supposed to.
Please, I would love to see a verse that says we are to commune weekly in a building in order to show our praise.
Obiwanshinobi000
2006-10-15, 22:40
quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:
Its like, what the fuck, why dont you just go all the time like you are supposed to.
Please, I would love to see a verse that says we are to commune weekly in a building in order to show our praise.
Thats what everyone else does. All I have ever heard is that youre supposed to go to church every sunday.
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Just the idea of it though, its not like she wants to go, anyways she made up some bullshit excuse to get out of it. It wouldn't really be so stupid if maybe her parents were always going to church, but they just now started going back or somthing. Its like, what the fuck, why dont you just go all the time like you are supposed to. I didnt try to convert her, she gave up the belief in god of her own free will.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thats the thing, your basing your perception on the IDEA of it, being an athiest its probably been worked into your head that at church its a bunch of insane people shouting hallelujah randomly while a corrupt old fatman on a pulpit tries to brainwash you. thats not how it is in most cases, its like, they play and sing crappy music (you arent forced to participate, tune it out) then he says some stuff about crumblinb american morals. like iv'e said before, going will A. only take an hour of your time out of 1 day at most. B. keep your girlfriends parents happy and in the dark (youll run out of bullshit exscuses eventually) and C. maybe gain some insight on the theologists perspective so next time you argue with one youll have a basis for what you say. also, i do it all the time, and noone notices or cares, READ. get a good book, Like today i read a short story called "Daemonblood" in a collection called Let the Galaxy Burn. noone cared. just read through the sermon, and dont stand up or sing along with the songs, just sit far away from the parents. it's a simple foolproof plan, and will keep alot of people in blissful ignorance, and save you alot of drama, i do it every sunday, dont have to put up with my preachers incorrect interpretation of the bible,and dont take any crap from my family.
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quote:Originally posted by nametag:
Thats the thing, your basing your perception on the IDEA of it, being an athiest its probably been worked into your head that at church its a bunch of insane people shouting hallelujah randomly while a corrupt old fatman on a pulpit tries to brainwash you.
Speaking of perceptions, yours is that someone worked in our atheist heads "that at church its a bunch of insane people shouting hallelujah randomly while a corrupt old fatman on a pulpit tries to brainwash you."? Why do you think that this is what's probably been done to us?
You should realize that the majority of American atheists have grown up with religion, have many theistic friends, and have been to some church services in the past and don't have such ridiculous ideas of what goes on in most churches.
I can't remember any church services that were not baptism/wedding type things, and the only image I have of them is a mostly empty church doing boring readings from a book(mostly empty cos this is the UK)
Altho my friend did see the new preist chappy wanking, so that adds a bit of a spin on things.
Never once did i state that athiest people, are incapable of having thiestic friends, or did i say they were incapable of having knowledge of church goings on? no. But there are athiest people ive talked to that deplore the concept of going to church, and when i ask them why? you guessed it, they equate it to brainwashing, this is what the majority of athiest people I KNOW think about church, and doesn't nessescarily mean they all do. I'm sorry if i offended you guys. But he said himself that he disliked the idea of church, so i assumed that sort of thing was what he was thinking of, your very right martini making an assumption like that was an unfair extrapolation and id ike to apologize to anyone i may have offended. However based on the beliefs of my friends who are athiest i decided that what i said was at least somewhat of a fair assumption to make. I am aware that athiests can have thiestic friends, i'm friends with both, im also aware that alot of athiests have attended church services, however based on posts he had previously made i asssumed that he had not, and again, when people dont like the idea of church it tends to be because they equate it to brainwashing, at least from my personal experiance. (or because its boring, but reading can fix that too)
The purpose of my previous post however was not to steryotype, generalize, label or "put down" athiests. i was just trying to make a suggestion, (and a good one mind you)as to how he could keep his girlfriends friends and parents happy without buying into religion, because based on what he said i'm fairly certain he doesn't want to.
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quote:Originally posted by nametag:
Never once did i state that athiest people, are incapable of having thiestic friends, or did i say they were incapable of having knowledge of church goings on? no.
No, you didn't state that we are incapable of such things; I was just trying to make you aware that the majority of atheists (at least I believe) have a pretty good idea of what goes on in church, and that there aren't other atheists filling our heads with lies about it.
quote:Originally posted by nametag:
But there are athiest people ive talked to that deplore the concept of going to church, and when i ask them why? you guessed it, they equate it to brainwashing, this is what the majority of athiest people I KNOW think about church, and doesn't nessescarily mean they all do.
While they may think that brainwashing goes on in church ( and it does ), I find it hard to believe that's the reason they deplore going to church. I'm sure the ones that you know aren't afraid of getting brainwashed just by going to a service. No brainwashing is that effective. It's done from childhood with the rituals, feelings of belonging to a special group where you get rewarded with eternal life while other groups don't. Some church goer see themselves as "righteous" in comparison to others who don't belong to his group. Some lose personal identity and only see themselves as part of the group. Some develop guilt complexes for having natural feelings of lust. There are many things about Christianity that have typical cult like behavior and brainwashing is a big part of it.
I wasn't offended by the way, so no need to apologize. I just wanted to make you aware that atheists as a whole have a pretty good idea with what actually goes on in church. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)