A few arguements against today's Christianity
 

HELLO everyone I the former Masta Thief of totse, yes that annoying trolling arrogant christian that pissed you off so long ago, have returned after nearly two years of retirement!!! - OH MY GOD HOW EXCITING:eek:-

-doubt anyone remembers ='( -

And now i regret to inform you im back to piss you off again, but this time because of logical pewning not ignorant trolling!!!

Lets start shall we, first off in a stunning and ironic turn events i shall be argueing against christianity and explain some of the myths and falsehoods of Christianity.

Now the atypical christian ussualy believes the following...

-Jesus was God incarnate and

-a Trinity between God, the holy spirit, and Jesus

-Jesus' was crucified as a sacrifice for all man's sins

-Miracles prophecies and so on and so forth

-everyone else burns in hell for not believing (ha)

We'll to all you Christians who fit this category, which would be Pauline Christianity, i'm gonna be blunt... Im almost absolutely certain that your DEAD wrong!

-Jesus never once in the bible refered to himself as the "Son of God" rather he said the "Son of man", aswell he never claimed himself to be God. Yes he did refer to God as father but dont we do the same didnt other followers of Jesus in the Bible? yes!

- Jesus quoted Hosea and said "Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice'." (Matthew 9:13).

"I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice; the knowledge of God, rather than burnt offerings" (Hosea 6:6).

Now for all the Literalists out there, it stands to reason, that Jesus' words are contradictory with what the biblical writers have said about him being a sacrifice for mans sins. Jesus said to "ask God for forgiveness and to to forgive all others who have sinned against you and God shall forgive you", and he said this before his death. Now according to popular myth Jesus had to die so we could be saved but Jesus himself said that you could be forgiven before he was ever crucified. And just to put it out there when he said to "trust and beleive in the gospel" which means good news, he meant the good news he preached, not the written gospel because the gospel was written generations after his death. And now you know a little bit about the "REAL" gospel. =)

Now for the miracles and prophecies part. Well i dont really have much to say but GOD DAMN use the reason he gave you!!! (Which would also require you to know that the old testament was just a collection of jewish laws and myths that made up the Israelites culture, just the same as any other ancient culture had that you would regard as false nonsense, so why wouldn't the old testament be (for the main part anyway)?

About hell, i'm not saying we dont pay for our sins, i hope those who are evil get punished, and thats not illogical as other deists assert, but it is illogical to believe that God would create us, reveal himself to just to a few million people, and let everyone else suffer eternal punishment for not beleiving in a God they have no reason to believe in. According to that belief you Christians have, belittled God because that would mean that humans are more logical than Him... No...were not!


3 last things

1. can anyone seriously and logicaly say and backup the claim that the bible is innerrant?

2. I want you all to understand that I am in a way a Christian, i beleive and follow the teachings of Jesus and what was original Christianity, natural religion, taught by Jesus' brother James, but I reject the lies of Pauline Christianity. And thus I follow Deism or if you want to be totally specific I am a technical agnostic(in the original meaning) and a practical Deistic thinking, Transcendentalist, Unitarian, Christian! :D

3. I support all types of Christianity, and all religions in fact (with the exception of satanism) because i understand how important it is to society and all the good things that comes with religion, which outweigh the bad, and me being a deist i am reasonable enough to understand that reason is not for everyone! So i dont ussually argue my views to others, but this is an open-minded debate and discussion forum so ill make an exception.

Ecclesiastes- "For as wisdom grows so does vexation, and to increase knowledge is to increase sorrow"



Recomended book- "Christianity as Old as the Creation" by Matthew Tindal


oh i forgot something!sorry. I'd like to add that Paul never met Jesus, he just claimed to have talked to him in a vision, and he put his own personal theology in his teachings. James, Jesus' brother and Peter his disciple, the people who really knew Jesus, disagreed with Pauls Teachings. They were called Nazoreans and was destroyed by the Romans and then Pauline Christianity took off, then they killed the gnostics. The church councils sided with Pauline Christianity and then revised the bible to follow Pauls theology. So to all you Pauline Christians what reason is there in following Pauls theology rather than what Jesus, whom you claim is God, actually taught?

Re: A few arguements against today's Christianity
 

Define truth.

Re: A few arguements against today's Christianity
 

are you a retard? do you need a dictionary?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/truth

maybe im the moron but i really dont get what your point is?

Re: A few arguements against today's Christianity
 

oh if by that you meant truth doesnt make sense and lies would be more accurate and you didnt understand than i apologize for my previous statement, but if you were really retarded then that statement still stands.

Re: A few arguements against today's Christianity
 

Some people view truth as an absolute, others view it as relative. I was simply asking you how you define truth.

Re: Masta Thief returns!!! And as a Deist here to expose the truth of christianity=O
 

I remember you, kinda.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...36;&version=9;

Jesus refers many times to himself as the "Son of God." Regardless, why would he allow the people who knew him personally and knew him best to call him the "Son of God" if he really weren't? You know, those people who knew Jesus was a commie?

If you are going to be talking to Literalists, you need to actually quote the Bible, not paraphrase it. Your "ask God for forgiveness..." line is not found in any Bible.

However, you are using the word "forgiven", which is most decidedly not the same thing as being "saved." The thing was, before Jesus died you had to be a good Jew to attain salvation. Obviously you can't trust in his sacrifice if he isn't dead yet, now can you? Jesus never said "trust in the gospel." The "gospel" these days will say many things depending on what Bible you read and who ass you pull it out of (which you seem to be pulling doctrine out of your own).

Regardless, since none of us have talked to Jesus himself, we don't know what he says. All we have to go on is the Bible, unless you are to pull a bastardized and castrated version from your nether regions...

The thing is that he told not only Christians, but also the Jews to spread their faith. Neither of them have done very well at it. Only the most remote parts of Africa or the jungles of Asian and South America know nothing about Christianity anyway. Its shitty, but it does make a bit of sense for someone to go to hell because some irresponsible Christian didn't tell someone.

Easy. Can you prove it is not? It is far more simple to prove one single point incorrect than prove everything correct.

Regardless of what denomination or whether or not you are of that bastard religion of Catholicism, I do not see how one can call himself a deist or an agnostic and a Christian at the same time. Just to be even more insulting, you reject Pauline Christianity and STILL call yourself a Christian:

You are a very confused individual.

Ohhh, so now everything starts making even less sense...

So Peter the Apostle and James the Lesser are the people I need to know how they lived? Well that's too bad because the Nazorian texts don't exist (and what does exist is pretty much the book of Matthew) and Peter believed you had to practice Judaeism and Christianity. Are YOU circumcised? Do YOU follow Mosaic law and Jesus' contrary teachings? Something about a house divided....

So, not only do you pull things out of your ass to follow, you are also the victim here. Makes perfect sense to me! :rolleyes:

Re: Masta Thief returns!!! And as a Deist here to expose the truth of christianity=O
 

. Christianity, like almost all organized/ancient religions, is based on sun warship and ancient astrology.. Wake up, jesus didn't exist. Excelent vid.---> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78 .. Welcome back master thief. Also check this out http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7StcxGM5KcA

Re: Masta Thief returns!!! And as a Deist here to expose the truth of christianity=O
 

I really, really, really wish there was an infraction I could give you for posting zeitgeist.

Re: Masta Thief returns!!! And as a Deist here to expose the truth of christianity=O
 

See, this is why the mind shouldn't be so open that one's brain falls out. Misrepresenting the theologies of other cultures, lying about the dates of post-Christ icons, and acting as if astrology was outside of Judaic-Christian teachings in the first place (Genesis 1:14) is a blatant ruse that succeeds only with those that are seeking any attack on faith no matter how crippled it is.

As for it being based on sun worship, it is not. It is based on Creator worship. Had you understanding aside from your own, you would have been shown these things:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. At man's beginning, so is he divine and dust.
Darkness was on the face of the deep; here is depth to creation. So is there depth in man, and very dark it is.
And the Spirit of God hovers over the depths of the water, as He sits above man.
Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. So too does God bring light into the darkness of man.
God then divided the light from the darkness, seeing that the light was good. So too does God divide man into his light and his shadow. The light He called day, and the dark He called night; as is so with man, our 'day' is soul and our 'night' is flesh.

God created us in the darkness, and at His choosing brings the light in; piercing the shadows of our being and indeed, our flesh does not comprehend! Exposed as a wretch, we fear the light, knowing we cannot hide our wickedness any longer. Facing the light, our darkness is set behind us; out of thought and powerless over us. God brings us into the light and having exposed our sin, frees us from sin. Not just the sins we act upon, which harm others; but the sins we have in our heart alone, that make us bitter.

For more understanding: No man ever has, does, nor will have the courage to face the light under the full burden of his wickedness. Through Christ taking the guilt upon himself may we face our Creator and have our sin fully exposed. Only through the sincere knowledge that we have been cleaned of our guilt may we face God and ask of Him to remove sin itself, and sin, dear brother, is the belief in a lie.

Faith in Christ is not the end of Christianity, nor even a goal thereof; but to be pierced by the Holy light of our Creator deep within our heart and in our soul so that we may walk not in the darkness of sin, but in the light of Truth; and Truth is God and all that is spoken by God for God can not sin and does not tempt to sin.

Re: Masta Thief returns!!! And as a Deist here to expose the truth of christianity=O
 

"Misrepresenting the theories of other cultures" You're dumb as shit... Even the most hardcore bible thumpers agree that there are near identical stories in other religions.. They say that the devil had the fore-site to come to the earth and create these characteristics in all the other religions...

there are hundreds of parallels to the Jesus myth found in the stories of Buddha, Krishna, Gilgamesh, mithras, Quexalcote, Horus, Adonis, Quirinus, and Indra.. Even the Summarian Annuki coincidence? Not only do all these stories pre-date christianity, half of them were around before modern-day creationists say god created the world...

We must have just misinterpreted everything we know about organized religion to date. Yes!! That must be it.. The devil? Probably...

They believed the sun was god, the center of the universe, the earth was also flat ...... They knew that without the sun the plants could not grow, and life would not be possible.. Come winter the days get shorter the plants die. Light vs Darknes= Day vs Night= Good vs Evil= oldest ubiquitous mythological duality ever known
maby but when was this? 6000 years ago? before lucifer put the dinosaur bones here to trick us?? As Bishop Ussher would have you believe? Sober up. Im talking about the new testimate ..

I believe, if on the off chance jesus was a real person, he was just that. Not really the son of god, just a profit who could help us develope spiritually.
There's no absolute evidence he existed.. You'd think someone who healed so many, preformed vast myricals etc would have atleast made it into the record books.. however, when they carbon date scrolls/whatever ealse from the vatican it dosn't ever predate constantines reign.. Nowadays they dont even allow any of there precious "evidence" to be carbon dated.. Modern Christianity is a fraud..
You maby right... Check this out http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BToUxSi-QwA
Why would this be the only way? just to say you accept/believe something, that you're sorry and it'll all be okay.. If more christians lived like christ the world would be a very different place. Its a religion spread by fear.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you need to be a christian to believe that..

If anything I'd say we're all sons of god(metaphorically), god being the universe and everything that makes it up. live a good life, treat people right and you'll be fine in the end.


Sorry if this is kind of jumbled I've been up for bout 50+ hours now :-/