HELLO everyone I the former Masta Thief of totse, yes that annoying trolling arrogant christian that pissed you off so long ago, have returned after nearly two years of retirement!!! - OH MY GOD HOW EXCITING
-
-doubt anyone remembers ='( -
And now i regret to inform you im back to piss you off again, but this time because of logical pewning not ignorant trolling!!!
Lets start shall we, first off in a stunning and ironic turn events i shall be argueing against christianity and explain some of the myths and falsehoods of Christianity.
Now the atypical christian ussualy believes the following...
-Jesus was God incarnate and
-a Trinity between God, the holy spirit, and Jesus
-Jesus' was crucified as a sacrifice for all man's sins
-Miracles prophecies and so on and so forth
-everyone else burns in hell for not believing (ha)
We'll to all you Christians who fit this category, which would be Pauline Christianity, i'm gonna be blunt... Im almost absolutely certain that your DEAD wrong!
-Jesus never once in the bible refered to himself as the "Son of God" rather he said the "Son of man", aswell he never claimed himself to be God. Yes he did refer to God as father but dont we do the same didnt other followers of Jesus in the Bible? yes!
- Jesus quoted Hosea and said "Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice'." (Matthew 9:13).
"I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice; the knowledge of God, rather than burnt offerings" (Hosea 6:6).
Now for all the Literalists out there, it stands to reason, that Jesus' words are contradictory with what the biblical writers have said about him being a sacrifice for mans sins. Jesus said to "ask God for forgiveness and to to forgive all others who have sinned against you and God shall forgive you", and he said this before his death. Now according to popular myth Jesus had to die so we could be saved but Jesus himself said that you could be forgiven before he was ever crucified. And just to put it out there when he said to "trust and beleive in the gospel" which means good news, he meant the good news he preached, not the written gospel because the gospel was written generations after his death. And now you know a little bit about the "REAL" gospel. =)
Now for the miracles and prophecies part. Well i dont really have much to say but GOD DAMN use the reason he gave you!!! (Which would also require you to know that the old testament was just a collection of jewish laws and myths that made up the Israelites culture, just the same as any other ancient culture had that you would regard as false nonsense, so why wouldn't the old testament be (for the main part anyway)?
About hell, i'm not saying we dont pay for our sins, i hope those who are evil get punished, and thats not illogical as other deists assert, but it is illogical to believe that God would create us, reveal himself to just to a few million people, and let everyone else suffer eternal punishment for not beleiving in a God they have no reason to believe in. According to that belief you Christians have, belittled God because that would mean that humans are more logical than Him... No...were not!
3 last things
1. can anyone seriously and logicaly say and backup the claim that the bible is innerrant?
2. I want you all to understand that I am in a way a Christian, i beleive and follow the teachings of Jesus and what was original Christianity, natural religion, taught by Jesus' brother James, but I reject the lies of Pauline Christianity. And thus I follow Deism or if you want to be totally specific I am a technical agnostic(in the original meaning) and a practical Deistic thinking, Transcendentalist, Unitarian, Christian!
3. I support all types of Christianity, and all religions in fact (with the exception of satanism) because i understand how important it is to society and all the good things that comes with religion, which outweigh the bad, and me being a deist i am reasonable enough to understand that reason is not for everyone! So i dont ussually argue my views to others, but this is an open-minded debate and discussion forum so ill make an exception.
Ecclesiastes- "For as wisdom grows so does vexation, and to increase knowledge is to increase sorrow"
Recomended book- "Christianity as Old as the Creation" by Matthew Tindal
oh i forgot something!sorry. I'd like to add that Paul never met Jesus, he just claimed to have talked to him in a vision, and he put his own personal theology in his teachings. James, Jesus' brother and Peter his disciple, the people who really knew Jesus, disagreed with Pauls Teachings. They were called Nazoreans and was destroyed by the Romans and then Pauline Christianity took off, then they killed the gnostics. The church councils sided with Pauline Christianity and then revised the bible to follow Pauls theology. So to all you Pauline Christians what reason is there in following Pauls theology rather than what Jesus, whom you claim is God, actually taught?
A few arguements against today's Christianity
Threaded Mode
