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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

So you assert, a group of people, most of whom practice a religion in which an all powerful being deems them the chosen, a certain patch of Earth as holy, and promises to get them there in divine prophecy, did not want to go to this holy land?

by the 18th century the jewish religion had taken a massive idealogical turn. an while almost all jews at that time felt they were a chosen people, many no longer viewed israel as a holy land. it had become an idea, not a place. the prophecy had also been reinterpreted. where before it was all about wondering lost in the diaspora until god deemed us ready for a return, now it was about fixing the world around us into a better place, a place worthy of god. a return to israel did not factor in these plans at all.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

What's more is that they accidently wound up there, despite their desire to go against the wishes of their God, and the prophecy of their cannon?

not accident, but by chance of historical events. if not for world war one i doubt an israeli state would be here today. i doubt the fanatical jews you see in israel today would be around either if not for the west. it was a need to destabilize the region that led the brits an french to start exporting jews to the middle east. those early settlers were pawns just like the original arab owners of the land. as far as wishes an prophecies go i think i have explained in several other post the reinterpretation of the jewish religion an philosophy over the past four centuries. but i doubt you really read any of my post cause you keep posting the same questions. hence why i called you a troll.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

This is what you are telling me?

basically, yes.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

You don't see why someone would find what you are suggesting a little hard to believe? So much that you call me a troll and tell me to stop reading your thread?

some one who did not understand that there was a difference between the jews of 3000 years ago an the jews of today. they would definetly have trouble grasping onto what i am saying. also some one who has little to no background in middle eastern history over the past 200 years. they might also have trouble getting what i am saying. but some one as knowlegebal as you? no i am sure you hear me just fine.

i called you a troll because you keep asking the same questions that i feel i have answered in other post.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Okay, I guess it is just a way fucking out there kind of insinuation, and any rational person would quickly come to a different conclusion.

fucking out there kind of insinuation, what does that even mean? if you think i am trying to silence you an your brilliance by calling you a troll, you could not be more wrong. i am open to discussion. but if you try an intellectually attack a people of who you know little about, well i might seem a bit rude when i answer you. but i will answer you. troll.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

You do seem to understand that the state of Israel was a mistake though.

i think we can agree on this.