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Old 2003-08-13, 01:01
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So you're addressing this to believers of God and not just religeous people eh?

Do you think it's foolish to believe in a God that is the consciousness of nature. We are the consciousnous that controls our human nature, just as God is the consciousness that controls universal nature?

Why would a lifeform care about survival since it know it's gonna die itself? Where did the want of survival come from? If there is no conscious thought after death then logically a lifeform shouldn't care what happened afterwards. Why would we care what the state of affairs are to be when we aren't around to experience them? Could it be that at a deep level lifeforms know that they are a part of a universe that 'goes on'?

When did lifeforms begin? By an accident of nature, or a reaction that had never happened before. Either way lifeforms are a product of nature. Lifeforms are nature. But why would we feel a need to survive? Because even if we die, nature still carries on.

If a boulder can fall without fear of splitting in two, why can't a man live without fear of death? I mean we are only products of nature aren't we? Our death won't stop nature so why fear it? Nature will still go on no matter which form it takes.

We are the same as nature. But if we are the same as nature, then that must mean that 'nature' wants to survive. But how could nature want to survive if it didn't have a consciousness?

Lifeform cannot suddenly appear into existence unless it's a part of nature already. So the only way we can be different

to nature is if lifeform began as soon as time began. But we all know that our entire bodies are made from natural elements, so

if we are different from nature the only possible difference is consciousness (which controls the area of nature that is our bodies). But then that begs the question "Where did consciousness come from if it isn't a part of nature?".

Consciousness also cannot suddenly spring into existence so it must always have existed.



If consciousness is a product of nature, then nature must have a will to survive, therefore nature has a consciousness (God) and we are part of it.

If consciousness is seperate from nature, then since consciousness cannot suddenly "spring from nothing" then it must

have always existed and since it isn't the same as nature, why should the laws of nature apply? including rules of time and space and death.

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