How do you know what you believe is right?

[Martian Luger King]

Originally Posted by Zay

Holy crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLMRD...eature=related

How many liters of acid do I have to guzzle to become so enlightened?

Thanks, that shit is more effective than nyquil and hydrocodone.

[~son~of~random~]

screw this shit guys...

if the universe is infinite=X

and our logic and reasoning are evolutionary advances constructed around our environment which is relatively finite=Y

Then Y cannot possibly fathom X

But that conclusion itself is but conjured up by my subjective thinking...
*pulls the trigger*
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One mans suicide is an others salvation.

[ilbastardoh]

You cannot think about what you don't comprehend, so humans are incapable of experiencing the universe through symbols, and thoughts. You can think about symbols and thoughts, but you can't think about what you don't yet understand, therefore thinking about the universe is pointless. You can only think about thoughts, that is not looking at reality, that is filtering reality through a thought, a reality tunnel.

To truly think the unthinkable you have to learn how not to think.

[welshopiumeater]

I don't. That's why I try to reach conclusions with objective fact checking and always leave my worldview(s) open to change.

[dal7timgar]

That question is contradictory because it uses both 'know' and 'believe'.

You can know that 2+3=5.

You can suspect that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

But you can believe in Santa Claus.

People say believe when they know and know when they believe. Sloppy language begats sloppy thinking. And endless sloppy conversations.

DT

[~son~of~random~]

Ask yourself what tells you 2+3=5 ?
Technically anything can be proven.
Because Santa never been proven not to exist. Maybe your parents just started buying you presents when they found out you were on the naughty list. Through that assumption, That can be enough evidence to anyone that he does in fact exist. So Santa clause's existence is proven through an assumption.

Just like the assumption that the human skill of mathematics is concrete thought of object. No one can even prove their own damn existence.
So what makes you think you know that the basic means thoughts for processing the problem i just proposed to you.

[Martian Luger King]

Get this jackass if you stare at three dead dogs for a couple of hours and toss two dead dogs on top of them, you will be able to count, get this, FIVE FUCKING DOGS. It will not be like that ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE FUCKING UNIVERSE. You cannot put in two and get six. It might take you a couple of hours though but keep staring and you'll get it.

[dal7timgar]

2 oz. of matter + 3 oz. of anti-matter = BOOM

Of course maybe that is subtraction because anti-matter is negative.

minus one human

DT

[infidelguy]

Originally Posted by Zay

I believe that 2+2=4, that there are no square circles, and that there is no god. One of the best things I could have done for myself in 2008 was dump moral relativism. Math is objective, science is objective, and while more complicated, you can hold human ideas to the same standards. It's all optional of course. The scientific method does not exist, neither does math, so you can choose to half-ass it, just know that you're wrong if you do. Christians are objectively wrong, so are Muslims, so are nationalists, so are liberals, and conservatives, and libertarians, and strong nihilists, etc. May the best combination of evidence and deductive reasoning win.

i dont see how you can subject human ideas under the same rigor as mathematics, or the scientific method. math and science is about taking observable truth ( in that it has not yet been disproven) and deducing that that truth (be it formula a, or scientific premise b) can be applied to other concepts.

for you to apply that kind of logical rigor to a concept as openly controversial as the morality of advanced interrogation techniques, or abortion, its absolutely, 100 percent, insane. In mathematics, you generally know that something is right i.e 2 + 2 = 4. because the idea of there being 2 of something being combined with 2 more of something equals a numerical representation that there is 2x more of that something, or four. That is somethign that makes sense logically. or the idea of ionization, you can empirically reduce that concept into sub atomic interaction.

how do you intend to empirically reduce a concept such as the morality of waterboarding. you cannot deductively reason such a thing (meaning that you cannot simplifly the concept of torture, until it became extremely simplistic, thus further honing the idea that something is truth)

there is no universal standard to what is right, it depends on the certain social , cultural, personal, or situtational circumstances (sometimes it really may be okay to abort (i.e in the case of rape) othertimes it may be horrible wrong). something as encompassing and complicated as ethical issues cannot have a standard as rigorous as mathematics.

although there may be some truth to your claim (as evident by the many specific laws and bylaws, that provide a 'standard' to morality) but at the same time the fact that there exists a "defense of necessity" clause in every law, that seems to decimate the only going point you have.

[ilbastardoh]

love comes from the latin word lavilius which means pertaning to the lips, and when we symbolize I love you, you draw a heart, but which human heart looks like this .

Rather the heart looks like this


The previous one looks like spread open vaginal lips, and is it curious that cupid shoots an arrow at the "heart"?

Love means
Lusting Over Vaginas Eternally, therefore rather than enslaving myself unknowingly like all the other jackassess in the world I prefer to give up on love and rather focus on Compassion, which comes from the words cum and passion.

I believe both men and women have a passion for cumming and therefore I do away with love and believe only in compassion as it is something we can both share, instead of lusting over vaginas eternally, and giving women power they don't really deserve.