The 'Official' ABORTION Thread (POLL)

[jackketch]

As most of the regulars know threads here which touch on abortion tend to quickly develop into soapbox rants for both camps. This means that they are some of the few threads that i police heavily(ie edit).

For ages now I have been promising an abortion thread where everyone may soapbox to their hearts content without editing.

I almost posted this a while back but then we had a spate of 'Fuck I'm pregnant!' threads and I felt that it wasn't tactful or helpful.

So here it is , with a poll.

HOWEVER please remember that this a public forum. If you've been (as I have) in the more criminal element of either camp or perhaps if you've had an abortion without your partner's knowledge then do please exercise caution.

Also, emotive as it is, lets try and be nice to each other huh?

Anyway I'll start by proclaiming my views, which most of you know already I guess:

I am Pro Life. Very much so a lot. I believe that abortion for any reason, except in cases when a clear and present medical danger to the mother exists or the child can be shown to be so deformed as not capable of life, is murder and that the abortioner and abortionee should be tried accordingly (inculding the Death Penalty if they live somewhere like Texas).

I do believe that ECP's are not only morally justifiably but should be avaible free OTC to anyone at any age.

I believe there is a justified case for the use of terminal force in the fight against abortion and that any doctors, nurses,staff or 'clients' killed , say in the bombing of a clinic, can be fairly judged 'to have brought their deaths upon themselves'.

NB in the poll any reference to 'time limit' should be taken to mean the time limit where you are. We can discuss the exact point at which you feel the limit should be in the thread.

'Validation' means the process a woman needs to go through to get an abortion in most countries- formal counselling/doctors agreement etc.

[azalie]

Why was this locked?

<3

[jackketch]

Originally Posted by azalie

Why was this locked?

<3

Because I fucked up the poll the first time round and had to edit/rewrite it before anyone voted (its still abit fucked but...)

[azalie]

Oh ok.

Well my opinion still stands that people should be allowed to choose whether or not they bring a life into the world. For whatever reason, it's not right to bring a child into the world if the mother doesn't want it in the first place or isn't willing/able to provide for it.

Not only will it ruin the baby's life but also the mother's aswell. One of them could have a fulfilling life with and education, job and reputation that's hassle free but not both if the mother doesn't want the child.

Mistakes are made, I agree that there are no 'accidents' but it's not right to make people pay for their stupidity. By not allowing abortion, people aren't helping the situation any further.

<3

[OdayJuarez]

I'll make my own thread. I don't want get accused of trolling.

[Agent 008]

Originally Posted by azalie

Oh ok.

Well my opinion still stands that people should be allowed to choose whether or not they bring a life into the world. For whatever reason, it's not right to bring a child into the world if the mother doesn't want it in the first place or isn't willing/able to provide for it.

Not only will it ruin the baby's life but also the mother's aswell. One of them could have a fulfilling life with and education, job and reputation that's hassle free but not both if the mother doesn't want the child.

Mistakes are made, I agree that there are no 'accidents' but it's not right to make people pay for their stupidity. By not allowing abortion, people aren't helping the situation any further.

<3

QFT, exactly my thoughts.

[jackketch]

Originally Posted by azalie

Oh ok.

Well my opinion still stands that people should be allowed to choose whether or not they bring a life into the world.

I agree, its called 'consenting to sex'. We MUST start to teach children the truth. And that truth is simply that pregnancy is caused by having sex. Using contraception is neither fool proof nor does it alleviate responsibility. Some forms of contraception are almost 100%. Unfortunately people aren't. Most women I know have had a 'scare' at some point and this is born out here time and time again.

There should really be little need for abortion if people would wise up to the simple facts of life. If you have sex, without or without contraception you may get pregnant .And if you do fuck up then you have a responsibility to get the ECP if you don't want a baby/child maintenance claim.

able to provide for it.

The sad truth is most people can't afford to have kids.

Not only will it ruin the baby's life but also the mother's as well. One of them could have a fulfilling life with and education, job and reputation that's hassle free but not both if the mother doesn't want the child.

Some mothers manage it. It depends on the woman (and her partner), you can't generalise.

[Rizzo in a box]

This is my position on abortion:

After 49 days, it has a soul and is considered murder.

The government should have no say in it. Or anything else.

As long as something is done out of love, and with faith in God, it doesn't really matter.

[Syphon]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

This is my position on abortion:

After 49 days, it has a soul and is considered murder.

The government should have no say in it. Or anything else.

As long as something is done out of love, and with faith in God, it doesn't really matter.

Souls are an abstract anthropomorphization of sapience and higher reasoning, and you don't have that until you're about 3 years old. Can YOU remember your own birth? That's right.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Syphon

Souls are an abstract anthropomorphization of sapience and higher reasoning, and you don't have that until you're about 3 years old. Can YOU remember your own birth? That's right.

Dude, I can't even remember last night. You have no idea what you're talking about but you're pretending to. Please STFU/GTFO.