Thoughts Control Everything

kenton · #1 2008-05-22, 01:18

1. You have ulitmate control over your thoughts. Your thoughts determine your values, which determine your actions. Your thoughts control your actions. 2. What one man can learn, another can read and replicate. 3. Therefore, you can do anything.

Discuss.

MR.Kitty55 · #2 2008-05-22, 03:16

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Originally Posted by kenton

1. You have ulitmate control over your thoughts. Your thoughts determine your values, which determine your actions. Your thoughts control your actions. 2. What one man can learn, another can read and replicate. 3. Therefore, you can do anything.

Discuss.

actually thoughts come to me randomly through events I sometimes don't influence (someone asks a question)...and outside influences control actions (i.e. i burn you, you jump back) or I punch you and you hit me back...and repetition is not that simple and you in no way proved I can do anything...I can think about flying but I still can't fly...

Mufasa09 · #3 2008-05-22, 15:15

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I can think about flying but I still can't fly...

You can do anything within the realm of the constructs of the reality you live in. Better?

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and outside influences control actions (i.e. i burn you, you jump back) or I punch you and you hit me back

If I was brought up that being burnt was a sacred process and should be appreciated and welcomed, I would not jump back (as unintelligent as that belief is, it'd still do the trick). And surely, I'd have the choice of non violence, or even to come back a week later with a firearm.

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and repetition is not that simple and you in no way proved I can do anything

Never did he state how complicated or simple the learning process was, because it is different for each individual task and skill. And perhaps you cannot do anything is because you think you cannot do anything?

leuda · #4 2008-05-22, 16:58

I wish I had ultimate control over my thoughts...

Then I could participate.

But alas. I cant control my thoughts for food when I am hungry, or my thoughts for sex when im horny, or my thoughts for air when im underwater.

Ive tried. to be honest. But in trying to not thing about it, Im thinking about it.

Is the inability to force yourself into NOT thinking a sign of mental weakness or mental strength?

Mufasa09 · #5 2008-05-22, 22:03

Well, the thread is thoughts control actions, not thoughts control involuntary reactions. I'm sure the op was thinking up his statement in terms of proactiveness.

PopaChubby · #6 2008-06-01, 03:04

I don't think he was talking about involuntary reflexes or biological sexual urges.

You don't take into account beliefs. An irrational fear is a good example. It exists as a result of a belief held by the mind and it would be wonderful to control. However, it's hard to overcome a belief system through thought.

Or if there was some kind of physical brain difference someone being able to do something or not do something.

When I give a presentation I know logically that it will come off better if I don't get nervous, but my body does anyway. My thoughts don't do shit at that point.

KikoSanchez · #7 2008-06-01, 17:46

OP's biggest flaw is in thinking one is in control of their thoughts. Read any current neuroscience research and you'll see that thoughts come up involuntarily (even those you think you are controlling) and the justification of why you thought something/did something/controlled a thought process, is done AFTER it has actually occurred.

KikoSanchez · #8 2008-06-01, 17:49

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You can do anything within the realm of the constructs of the reality you live in. Better?

What does that mean? It sounds like "you can do whatever you can do." It sounded like the OP was saying 'you can be whatever you want by controlling your thoughts" type thing.

PopaChubby · #9 2008-06-02, 00:38

But we aren't born with language, so the thoughts have to be put there at some point in our life. We may not control our thoughts but something does.

It can be I just get up in the morning and a random thought comes up for me to go out jogging. A sneaker commercial, or a web site, must have put it in my head. Or just increased the probability of it occurring. I guess it's sort of like quantum position.

Mufasa09 · #10 2008-06-02, 00:53

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What does that mean? It sounds like "you can do whatever you can do." It sounded like the OP was saying 'you can be whatever you want by controlling your thoughts" type thing.

I mean, in the current reality, 3rd dimension, there is such limitations as time and physics. You cannot turn your arm into a green dragon instantaneously.