zimbabwe?

[Myron Mujadi]

should we give a fuck? theres an outcry about this insignificant sudan bullshit, do you hypocrites feel the West should intervene in the place formerly known as rhodesia as well?

[vazilizaitsev89]

Originally Posted by Myron Mujadi

should we give a fuck? theres an outcry about this insignificant sudan bullshit, do you hypocrites feel the West should intervene in the place formerly known as rhodesia as well?

I don't think we should intervene in either case. In Zimbabwe, they dug their grave now get in it.

In Sudan, I don't give a shit b/c we tried helping in africa before, and 18 of our best wound up dead

[the_coup_d'etat]

Originally Posted by vazilizaitsev89

I don't think we should intervene in either case. In Zimbabwe, they dug their grave now get in it.

In Sudan, I don't give a shit b/c we tried helping in africa before, and 18 of our best wound up dead

Africa is a shithole. If you want Africa to improve you need to go After the war lords.

[launchpad]

Obviously the U.S. has no reason to go into Zimbabwe for regime change, that would be just as ridiculously illegal as the Iraq war! The U.N. should definitely send a contingent in to supervise the runoff elections on the 17th/make sure there are no repercussions/unchecked violence after the results (I hope Tchangeray (sp) wins). Maybe this is finally the time for Zimbabwe to escape both its colonial past and it's sad and humbled time under the despotic and poor rule of Robert Mugabe.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by the_coup_d'etat

Africa is a shithole. If you want Africa to improve you need to go After the war lords.

...and the dictators, AIDS, cholera, malaria, inflation, ethnic conflicts, education systems, brain drain, religious conflict, debts to western countries, racism, remenants of colonialism, lack of infrastructure, drought and other natural disasters, et al.

Originally Posted by vazilizaitsev89

In Zimbabwe, the european colonists dug the Zimbabweans' grave, now get in it.

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Originally Posted by launchpad

Maybe this is finally the time for Zimbabwe to escape both its colonial past and it's sad and humbled time under the despotic and poor rule of Robert Mugabe.

Let us not forget though that Mugabe was originally elected because he was going to return Zimbabwe to its former glory. Although, I do hope Morgan Tsvangirai wins and I wish him the best, as he has a hell of alot of work ahead of him.

[vazilizaitsev89]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

...and the dictators, AIDS, cholera, malaria, inflation, ethnic conflicts, education systems, brain drain, religious conflict, debts to western countries, racism, remenants of colonialism, lack of infrastructure, drought and other natural disasters, et al.



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Let us not forget though that Mugabe was originally elected because he was going to return Zimbabwe to its former glory. Although, I do hope Morgan Tsvangirai wins and I wish him the best, as he has a hell of alot of work ahead of him.

The european colonists fucked over zimbabwe?

It was Mugabe who took all the land away from the white farmers who knew what the hell they were doing and gave it to the blacks who didnt.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by vazilizaitsev89

The european colonists fucked over zimbabwe?

It was Mugabe who took all the land away from the white farmers who knew what the hell they were doing and gave it to the blacks who didnt.

Ever heard of The Great Zimbabwe? It was a city that became incredibly rich off of the trade of gold and salt, that is until the colonists came, conquered and took all that wealth back to Europe. Yes Mugabe has fucked over his country but, to say that ALL of Zimbabwe's troubles are his fault would be wrong. Besides Zimbabwe has only had independence for less than 30 years.

[vazilizaitsev89]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

Ever heard of The Great Zimbabwe? It was a city that became incredibly rich off of the trade of gold and salt, that is until the colonists came, conquered and took all that wealth back to Europe. Yes Mugabe has fucked over his country but, to say that ALL of Zimbabwe's troubles are his fault would be wrong. Besides Zimbabwe has only had independence for less than 30 years.

How? somehow a nation that after liberation was the breadbasket of southern africa which then turned into a shithole is somehow Britain's fault? Remember, mugabe took all the land away from the whites who knew what they were doing and gave it to his cronies who didn't. that's what fucked up Zimbabwe.

[launchpad]

vazilizait is right, Mugabe fucked over Zimbabwe not the colinists. 50 years ago Zimbabwe was 'the breadbasket of Africa' with the white-owned farms being responsible for most of the countries economic success - although there were still glaring inequalities.

Mugabe and his reverse-racial land reform policy divied up the land between his supporters and veterans of the war. These people did not know how to run the farms, so they ran them into the ground. All the white farmers were expelled.

Zimbabwe collapsed.

Whatever romanticized idea of The Great Zimbabwe as a pre-colonial Afrikaan kingship is merely pipe-dreams. Although every bit of politics in Africa today does have roots in colonialism, we can all point to a much more recent and much more evident reason for Zimbabwe's problems and lay them firmly at the feet of ZANU PF leader Robert Mugabe.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by launchpad

vazilizait is right, Mugabe fucked over Zimbabwe not the colinists. 50 years ago Zimbabwe was 'the breadbasket of Africa' with the white-owned farms being responsible for most of the countries economic success - although there were still glaring inequalities.

Mugabe and his reverse-racial land reform policy divied up the land between his supporters and veterans of the war. These people did not know how to run the farms, so they ran them into the ground. All the white farmers were expelled.

I doubt anyone will argue with you that land reform has so far been terrible to the economy of Zimbabwe. But, to pin all of the economic hardship on the ignorance of a bunch of african farmworkers is, well ignorant. The recent land reform historically is a case of chickens coming home to roost. The whites were incredibly racist to the blacks and should have expected the same when the blacks came to power.

You are also seriously underplaying colonialism. Back when Zimbabwe was first claimed by England the whites divided up the land and took Zimbabwe's best farmland. Farmland that was owned by blacks, who were forced to leave and find other less fertile farms. The government was well aware of who held the better farmland and thus gave loans to the white farmers and not the black farmers, giving the minority whites a monopoly on farming. And then Mugabe and the blacks come to power, so of course they are going to reclaim the land that was stolen from them many years ago. I don't think they gave a shit economically, but culturally this is epic.

Whatever romanticized idea of The Great Zimbabwe as a pre-colonial Afrikaan kingship is merely pipe-dreams.

Yes, because we all know that only white Europeans can create culturally significant civilizations.

Although every bit of politics in Africa today does have roots in colonialism, we can all point to a much more recent and much more evident reason for Zimbabwe's problems and lay them firmly at the feet of ZANU PF leader Robert Mugabe.

A much more recent reason? You are aware that many of these countries gained independence less than 30 years ago right?