Africa + European Imperialism

[23]

How long can we continue to blame Africa's (Third World Status) shitholeness on Europe's imperial doings of the late 1800s and early 1900s?

Although Europeans did create chaos by drawing their own borders, putting rival tribes together, Africa continues to suffer because of the tribes themselves, not because they are occupied.

So, who is to blame for Africa's state?

[MR.Kitty55]

No history of any stable government creates perpetual civil unrest (i.e. revolution, genocide) and due to the constant chaos no one has been able to form a lasting political system, so regimes come and go.

That simple. Blame? Imperialism.

*Awaits ignorant comment about black genetic inferiority as blame that has been scientifically proven false*

[23]

Originally Posted by MR.Kitty55

No history of any stable government creates perpetual civil unrest (i.e. revolution, genocide)

So how could government ever be created in the first place?

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by 23

So, who is to blame for Africa's state?

Well, as far as the state of the AIDS situation goes, you can blame them and not Europeans. Just read some of the statements made by the S.A. health minister if you don't believe me.

As for those who would attribute blame to Imperialism, that's all very good under certain circumstances. But my question would be at what point do Africans start taking responsiblity for the shit they create?

[MR.Kitty55]

Originally Posted by 23

So how could government ever be created in the first place?

You gain control with a charismatic leader who can unite the country....Some places have been able to do it (South Africa). You need someone the people can rally around and truly support we had Washington they had Mandela.

Just look at what Napoleon did...The people need someone to look up to in unstable countries

[23]

Originally Posted by MR.Kitty55

You gain control with a charismatic leader who can unite the country....Some places have been able to do it (South Africa). You need someone the people can rally around and truly support we had Washington they had Mandela.

Just look at what Napoleon did...The people need someone to look up to in unstable countries

So that can only lead someone to conclude that no African has risen up to stabilize the region.

And that means you have to blame Africans for the state of Africa, not imperialists.

[MR.Kitty55]

Originally Posted by 23

So that can only lead someone to conclude that no African has risen up to stabilize the region.

And that means you have to blame Africans for the state of Africa, not imperialists.

Well it can take hundreds of years for such an event to occur, look at Vietnam, they had Ho-Chi-Mihn and today Vietnam still remains seperated...Of course this wouldn't need to happen if it wasn't for tens of millions of the labor force being extracted, exploitation of the natural resources and the division of the land by Imperialism...

Its like blaming a drug addict on not being able to go sober after you got them hooked on drugs against their will...It doesn't really make sense to pin the blame on the victim here

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by MR.Kitty55

Well it can take hundreds of years for such an event to occur, look at Vietnam, they had Ho-Chi-Mihn and today Vietnam still remains seperated...Of course this wouldn't need to happen if it wasn't for tens of millions of the labor force being extracted, exploitation of the natural resources and the division of the land by Imperialism...

Its like blaming a drug addict on not being able to go sober after you got them hooked on drugs against their will...It doesn't really make sense to pin the blame on the victim here

What are you trying to say about 'Nam? They've pretty much adopted Capitalism and now they're thriving...

Africa has always been one of the most backwards places in the world, long before the Europeans came. In fact that's precisely why the Europeans were able to gobble it up so easily. So don't blame Europe, blame Africa for being so backwards that it couldn't resist Europe. Because the world isn't a nice place and if your civilization sucks, you get conquered and that's life.

Furthermore, I think the backwards, anti-intellectual, tribal-based culture is mainly responsible for Africa's present state, with a little bit of race thrown in. After we solve the whole energy independence thing, I say the USA goes to Africa and Americanizes the place, because their current culture has shown itself to be incapable.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by Slave of the Beast

But my question would be at what point do Africans start taking responsiblity for the shit they create?

When Europe fixes the Shit they put Africa in the first place.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by 23

And that means you have to blame Africans for the state of Africa, not imperialists.

No, what if Europe actually had a plan for sustaining and actually making sure its' former colonies weren't debted to various organization...err; no, we still need those slaves...hehehe

so yes; Imperialism is still there. It's called the WTO and IMF now.