Suicide and the meaning thereof

[Knight of blacknes]

Greetings, this is a response thread to a thread made in "I am the Law". In that thread I said that an honourable man would choose death over imprisonment. I was called a faggot because of that. I feel that suicide is misunderstood and therefor created this thread. It was difficult to find the correct section for this but I think that there is a philosophy behind it and it belongs in Humanities.

To begin I will state a reason for suicide:

Originally Posted by Knight of blacknes

A man of honour should not allow himself to get locked up. Ofcourse, if you indulge in crime you are not a man of honour. However sometimes the law contradicts a man's own set of morals and he might just ignore the law and persue his own. Defending ones family/property/honour per example. If a man does get locked up for this he should choose death over imprisonment.

Why is this? I shall give three reasons why suicide is the only option.

1. Imprisonment whilst you are just is a very agonizing experience.
2. Letting yourself being imprisoned whilst you are just means you give in to injustice
3. Commiting suicide expresses your statement in the ultimate form. You are just, they are injust, you are prepared to give your live for that.

A small scenario:
A burglar sneakes into your family' house. You opose him with a bat or a knive and kill him. The police come and arrest you. You did nothing wrong, you protected your family. You are sentenced to lets say 12 years imprisonment. In your cell you contemplate your live. You have successfully protected your family, they will live long and happy. Your job here is done. You can step towards death being content with the fact that your presence is no longer required. By taking your own live you say:

- I refuse you to punish me because I am not the one to be punished.
- You use only feeble words to make me look like a criminal but I can prove that I am more dedicated to my cause and a stronger believer in my righteousness by this action.
- If I stay alive people will think that I have accepted my punishment and that I am a criminal. Even if I get out my live if forfeit.

[Toothlessjoe]

More people should die, yes.

[None Other]

I think if you really wanted to stick it to the system then you would escape to a non-extradition country.

For the record, suicide would be pointless unless you had a damn good cause to die for, by which i mean sacrifice yourself for, not commit suicide...

You would be remembered as a criminal who couldn't even handle a jail term. At least you would be out in 12 years or less and you could bitch and whine to the media about your innocence ala Lindy Chamberlain. I think your family would be better able to cope with losing you for 12 years than you hanging yourself with your underwear.

The only reason I would kill myself would be in the face of a death sentence which I could no longer appeal.

[Knight of blacknes]

I agree, cutting down the first copper that tried to arrest me and getting shot by the second would be most favourable.

[EpicurusGeorge]

Originally Posted by Knight of blacknes

A small scenario:
A burglar sneakes into your family' house. You opose him with a bat or a knive and kill him. The police come and arrest you. You did nothing wrong, you protected your family. You are sentenced to lets say 12 years imprisonment. In your cell you contemplate your live. You have successfully protected your family, they will live long and happy. Your job here is done. You can step towards death being content with the fact that your presence is no longer required. By taking your own live you say:

- I refuse you to punish me because I am not the one to be punished.
- You use only feeble words to make me look like a criminal but I can prove that I am more dedicated to my cause and a stronger believer in my righteousness by this action.
- If I stay alive people will think that I have accepted my punishment and that I am a criminal. Even if I get out my live if forfeit.

It all depends on the person, I think most would say that they would rather spend the 12 years in prison, so they could see their family. Is it more virtuous to kill yourself rather than spend your time in prison? No, I don't believe so, think of the toll it would take on your family if you killed yourself, don't you think that it would be more honorable to stay alive for their sake?

[Kleenex]

I called you a faggot because you fuck guys.

[SomeLowLife]

Originally Posted by Knight of blacknes

Greetings, this is a response thread to a thread made in "I am the Law". In that thread I said that an honourable man would choose death over imprisonment. I was called a faggot because of that. I feel that suicide is misunderstood and therefor created this thread. It was difficult to find the correct section for this but I think that there is a philosophy behind it and it belongs in Humanities.

To begin I will state a reason for suicide:



Why is this? I shall give three reasons why suicide is the only option.

1. Imprisonment whilst you are just is a very agonizing experience.
2. Letting yourself being imprisoned whilst you are just means you give in to injustice
3. Commiting suicide expresses your statement in the ultimate form. You are just, they are injust, you are prepared to give your live for that.

A small scenario:
A burglar sneakes into your family' house. You opose him with a bat or a knive and kill him. The police come and arrest you. You did nothing wrong, you protected your family. You are sentenced to lets say 12 years imprisonment. In your cell you contemplate your live. You have successfully protected your family, they will live long and happy. Your job here is done. You can step towards death being content with the fact that your presence is no longer required. By taking your own live you say:

- I refuse you to punish me because I am not the one to be punished.
- You use only feeble words to make me look like a criminal but I can prove that I am more dedicated to my cause and a stronger believer in my righteousness by this action.
- If I stay alive people will think that I have accepted my punishment and that I am a criminal. Even if I get out my live if forfeit.

1. Most countries you would never be sentenced for defending your home. Not to say there aren't tons of other unjust laws out there.

2. Why the fuck would you do that? The only people you hurt is your family. You think the government gives a fuck about you,hanging dead in your cell? No. Your just a number. You will soon be dead and forgotten because you couldn't swallow your pride. Your not going to change laws. Your not going to be remembered as a hero who "stuck" it to the man. You'll be remembered as that guy who snapped in jail and offed himself. I don't see the honor in that.

3. I'm not against suicide. Only when it's pointless.