Are the Anarchists fucking up the RN/DNC justified?

[Star Wars Fan]

http://www.nornc.org/

The RNC Welcoming Committee is an anarchist/anti-authoritarian organizing body formed to prepare for the 2008 Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota. The RNC-WC, composed primarily of Twin Cities-based anarchists and anti-authoritarians, will function as an informational clearinghouse and organize a spokescouncil for RNC resistance. We will coordinate logistics (food, housing, transportation), and engage in education and outreach.
Without falling prey to the centralized, hierarchical tendencies that have dominated such convergences in the past, we hope that the RNC-WC will maintain a unified, anti-authoritarian presence at the 2008 RNC. Our numbers are huge, and it’s time that our actions reflected that.
Following are our points of unity. We invite all individuals and groups committed to these ideas to participate in the Welcoming Committee.
Those who work with the RNC Welcoming Committee must agree to:
1. A rejection of Capitalism, Imperialism, and the State;
2. Resist the commodification of our shared and living Earth;
3. Organize on the principles of decentralization, autonomy, sustainability, and mutual aid;
4. Work to end all relationships of domination and subjugation, including but not limited to those rooted in patriarchy, race, class, and homophobia;
5. Oppose the police and prison-industrial complex, and maintain solidarity with all targets of state repression;
6. Directly confront systems of oppression, and respect the need for a diversity of tactics.
Though the RNC-WC is focused on a specific event, we hope that our work transcends the convention by contributing to the development of anti-authoritarian movements and mutual aid networks both locally and globally. We are no more opposed to the Republican Party than we are to the Democratic Party. Affiliations and labels aside, we invite all who share our vision to join us in resistance.
To see how we organize with other local groups, please read the St. Paul Principles.

http://www.nornc.org/who-we-arepoints-of-unity/

what do you think?

[the phantom stranger]

I'm against turning any of these protests/demonstrations violent. Its counter productive and will only result in injured protesters and the public viewing all the protesters as violent thugs. Thats regarding any of the protesters initiating violence. I'm sure that the police themselves incited a lot or most of the violence. I saw a clip on the news that showed bike cops ramming their bikes into a protester barricade and then afterwards they began spraying pepper spray into the crowd unprovoked.

I wonder how many of these "anarchists" that, according to the press, started the violence were really agents provacateurs.

[Spiphel Rike]

It's a good chance for the cops to get some stick time, and a great time for the protestors to get a wood shampoo. Win Win :P

If you're going to protest, fine get some signs and do it. As soon as you attack anyone (chucking bags of concrete off overpasses, chucking chemicals/piss on people) you should be stomped on until you learn your lesson.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by Spiphel Rike

It's a good chance for the cops to get some stick time, and a great time for the protestors to get a wood shampoo. Win Win :P
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lolololol XD

[ramoo]

Originally Posted by the phantom stranger

I'm against turning any of these protests/demonstrations violent. Its counter productive and will only result in injured protesters and the public viewing all the protesters as violent thugs. Thats regarding any of the protesters initiating violence. I'm sure that the police themselves incited a lot or most of the violence. I saw a clip on the news that showed bike cops ramming their bikes into a protester barricade and then afterwards they began spraying pepper spray into the crowd unprovoked.

I wonder how many of these "anarchists" that, according to the press, started the violence were really agents provacateurs.

"Work to end all relationships of domination and subjugation, including but not limited to those rooted in patriarchy, race, class, and homophobia;"

It would be against the anarchy code to care or express anger over the media subjectism of the public seeing them as dangerous thugd.


In the "rules" they clearly state they want to "6. Directly confront systems of oppression, and respect the need for a diversity of tactics."

By stating their plans and rules beforehand they justified their actions. Arguing if their actions were "right" comes down to ones morals and political views

[vazilizaitsev89]

no, just a bunch of retards wanting to destroy shit.

[Q]

Of all humans, anarchists represent the most sensible and admirable of ideologies. A flawed ideology nonetheless, because the unavoidable repugnant nature of humanity itself prevents the utopia of anarchist society, but their idea is still admirable.

Violence is the only language that the state understands, and I do not believe anarchist activists to be hypocritical for realising this. If their dream is ever to be fulfilled, they will need to eradicate the followers/representatives of authoritarianism, and the weak people that support it out of fear or ignorance.

We all know what happens to peaceful protesters. (Well, at least they die with moral superiority. )

[ramoo]

Originally Posted by Q

Of all humans, anarchists represent the most sensible and admirable of ideologies. A flawed ideology nonetheless, because the unavoidable repugnant nature of humanity itself prevents the utopia of anarchist society, but their idea is still admirable.

can you elaborate on how the nature of humanity prevents this utopia of an anarchist society? Because all im reading is a bunch of mankind philospohical like words that makes you seem pretentious.

[Q]

Originally Posted by ramoo

can you elaborate on how the nature of humanity prevents this utopia of an anarchist society? Because all im reading is a bunch of mankind philospohical like words that makes you seem pretentious.

I was just using the words that seemed easiest to use.

E.g. "Authoritarian" instead of "the concept of people or systems that exist to control other people through coercive means".
It's a lot less pretentious than explaining things to people like they're 5.

And as for the nature of humanity:

Humans are inherently selfish, just like any other organism on the planet, and that fact is undeniable. It's an integral part of the genetic composition of any lifeform, organisms only serve themselves and are only self-interested.
Things like love and altruism, which seem selfless, only serve the individual, because they want to experience the feeling of love, or in the case of altruism, they want the other person to live.
In order for a peaceful anarchist community to exist, humans would need to be truly selfless, which is an impossible attribute for them to acquire due to the aforementioned inherent selfishness of life.

If that was difficult to follow:

Greed is the main part of instinct, so all people are selfish and greedy, which is why anarchy can never work, because anarchy is based on tolerance and selflessness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

^ An organism can only survive if it has everything it needs.
While humans don't need things like cars or cellphones, their desire to own them is based on the same basic principles (Think of it as a glitch in the human source code).
In anarchy, resources like phones, cars and food and sex would be fought over due to reduced production and increased perceived value, hence destroying the utopia.

[kurdt318]

• 1. A rejection of Capitalism, Imperialism, and the State;
  
• 2. Resist the commodification of our shared and living Earth;
  
• 3. Organize on the principles of decentralization, autonomy, sustainability, and mutual aid;
  
• 4. Work to end all relationships of domination and subjugation, including but not limited to those rooted in patriarchy, race, class, and homophobia;
  
• 5. Oppose the police and prison-industrial complex, and maintain solidarity with all targets of state repression;
  
• 6. Directly confront systems of oppression, and respect the need for a diversity of tactics.
  

Sounds like my type of people.