Why we lost in Vietnam, and why we haven't won in Iraq

[patton]

Recently I heard a quote about the Iraq war that I think describes exactly why we haven't won, and why we lost it 'nam.

"Our nation is not at war, our Military is at war" -Cpl. Neil Frustaglio

In other American wars, WWI, WWI, The Revolution, The Civil War, there was really a national will to win. The nation was united in the war effort. There was very high national morale, a very high esprit de corps. General MacArthur once said "It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." In all the other wars except 'nam and Iraq, we had the will to win.

However, in Vietnam and in Iraq, we certainly do not have that national morale, the will to win. I think that the anti-war protesters and those supposedly supporting the troops by wanting to bring them home actually end up hurting them by not allowing Americans to form that kind of esprit de corps that is so necessary in order to win a war.

[Azure]

The US didn't "lose" in Vietnam you fucking hippy pot smoking cocksucker.

[patton]

Originally Posted by Azure

The US didn't "lose" in Vietnam you fucking hippy pot smoking cocksucker.

Ok not technically dumbass, but we certainly didn't win. That has nothing to do with my point, and I'm pretty much the opposite of a pot smoking hippie.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by patton

I'm pretty much the opposite of a pot smoking hippie.

And that my friend, is why you're so wrong.

[ibetyouvotenexttimehippy]

Originally Posted by Azure

The US didn't "lose" in Vietnam you fucking hippy pot smoking cocksucker.

We left, they didn't. They installed their own government. Sounds like a lose to me. Call it what you want, it's just another word for losing.

- ♫.i.b.y.v.n.t.h.♫

[Azure]

Originally Posted by ibetyouvotenexttimehippy

We left, they didn't. They installed their own government. Sounds like a lose to me. Call it what you want, it's just another word for losing.

- ♫.i.b.y.v.n.t.h.♫

Not quite...

[vazilizaitsev89]

and we won the war in Iraq. The Iraqi National Army is on our side now. Its just a damned insurgency we can't put down

[patton]

and we won the war in Iraq. The Iraqi National Army is on our side now. Its just a damned insurgency we can't put down

True, but these technicalities aren't the point of my post, we're still fighting people in Iraq, and we didn't win in Vietnam

[azalie]

Originally Posted by Azure

The US didn't "lose" in Vietnam you fucking hippy pot smoking cocksucker.

Communism won, you lost. Vietnam had thousands of lives to spare, America didn't.

America can't win in the middle east because the world is watching its every move.

<3

[Azure]

Originally Posted by azalie

Communism won, you lost. Vietnam had thousands of lives to spare, America didn't.

America won't win in Iraq because the world is watching its every move.

<3

"You"?