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| Oh the Humanities! Philosophy, Cultural practices, Social norms, Historical Debate, War, and Sociology. |

2008-10-10, 09:22
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What does matter?
What does matter in life?
We live, we die. End of story. Or is it?
What sets us apart from every other animal in the world?
The fact that we can think? The fact that we are much smarter than the rest of the animal kingdom?
We are man. We are the greatest there ever was and ever will be. What next?
I dont understand. I do not understand anything one bit. Maybe religion would make me understand, but do not care for a preacher.
Personally, I think, what makes us different what makes US matter above everything else is how we live our lives. Happiness, sadness. Its how we take what comes to us.
I sometimes think I do not know what I am talking about, and I probably dont. But this is what I hate to say:
I always thought that life was about principles. About doing the right thing at the right time.
I have always imagined life to be worth something.
I imagined sex to be something intimate.
I expected people to care about one another.
I expected promises to be kept.
I hoped that everyone does the right thing.
I expected reality to be accepted by everyone.
The long I live, the more I see. And I hate it all. It just seems everything that should mean something does not mean anything at all.
People dont care about one another or infact about themselves. The people who fuck others over are the ones who are always ontop. The "decent folk" are the ones who seems to finish last.
And there is nothing. Nothing at all. At the end of the day, we all just fucking die, and thats the end of it all. A few people cry/whine, but no one gives a fuck.
A good friend of mine died yesterday. I found out this morning. The person who told me that said it with a smile on her face. She was much closer to him than I. But its like she didnt give a fuck. It's almost like no one gave a fuck. Maybe no one did. How can we be like this?
Sure I am going to hear that quote of Stalin's "one death is a tragedy while a million deaths are a statistics" or something of that nature.
But it just scares me to hell to think that when I die, no one will think even think twice about me.
Sure maybe my parent would cry/whine about it.
But in the few weeks they would move on a few friend would be sad. But thats it. Nothing else.
Nothing at all.
The world would keep going, on and on and on...
I can't live life thinking this is all worthless.
Could someone just give me a nice easy answer that tell me what does matter in life. What makes it worth it living?
There are so many reasons to kill oneself, but so few to live.
Two reasons stop me from ending it once and for all...
My father, and the possibility of hell or something bad on the otherside. I have contemplated it so much for so long. But living nor dying makes any sense to me.
I asked "god" more than once to take me. Just becuase I cant justify suicide, since i think that would bring quite more pain to those around me. But a natural death would be so much easier for everyone to handle.
It just seems nothing is worth living for. The end is always the same. Death. I could live another 60 years, or another 60 minutes and it wouldnt make a difference to the world. I am horrified at the though.
If there's anything in here worth discussing please do so. Else leave it to die like everything else.
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2008-10-10, 18:42
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Re: What does matter?
Maybe there isn't much more than us being animals. While we are the top of the food chain, maybe mans great curse is being able to reason. Even if there is nothing else to us than to live and eventually die, should we really feel like life is nothing special? I would say no. I can accept that one day I will not be here, but I also accept that my life will have some type of purpose. It may not be something magical and it may just be to have a family so that my genetic line continues.
I am somewhat religious and also believe in evolution. I have a cat and she isn't overly intelligent. The point is, once I was able to truly rationalize that somewhere way back when me and this cat could have been on the same genetic path life seemed a little more simple. Things live and things die. Just because we understand this and know it is coming doesn't mean we have a special meaning.
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2008-10-10, 21:11
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Northern VA
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Re: What does matter?
What matters is up to your personality. Some thrive on the idea that nothing matters. Others are depressed by the idea that nothing matters. I just see nothing mattering as a fascinating thought exercise, then I go on with my life. I could sit there and be depressed about it, but that doesn't matter. I'd rather indulge in hedonism. Experience all this " being human" shit 
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Atheism. Voluntarism.
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2008-10-11, 01:26
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Re: What does matter?
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Originally Posted by Holy Martyr
The long I live, the more I see. And I hate it all. It just seems everything that should mean something does not mean anything at all.
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What you see is what you get. Why would you expect anything else? What you're doing and feeling right now, that's all there is to life. You can expect and theorize and judge and justify and strive all you want, but all those are just things in your head. the entire universe is composed of what is in front of you right now.
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2008-10-11, 11:48
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Just passing 10000 posts.
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Re: What does matter?
find your own purpose in life, my son
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2008-10-11, 11:52
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Re: What does matter?
Then? Give unto me everything that you possess. All your money & all your worldly goods.
Go with nothing. Nay, not even clothes. Go & wander the woods. As nothing, to you, means anything: give it all to me. 
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2008-10-11, 18:33
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Re: What does matter?
Life is neutral, no one gives you purpose but you. This means you have ultimate freedom and get to do exactly what you want. 
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2008-10-12, 02:20
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Re: What does matter?
Art is the one thing that man does that animals have no vestige of; art is both meaningless, and the only thing that has ANY meaning.
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2008-10-12, 02:23
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Re: What does matter?
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Originally Posted by danzig
Art is the one thing that man does that animals have no vestige of; art is both meaningless, and the only thing that has ANY meaning.
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I beg to differ. Birds & dogs also have an interest in the artistic sounds beyond the normal territorial/mating sounds... 
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2008-10-12, 02:33
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Re: What does matter?
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Originally Posted by moonmeister
I beg to differ. Birds & dogs also have an interest in the artistic sounds beyond the normal territorial/mating sounds... 
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bullshit...
art is artificial, man made beauty. not to be found in nature; the very antitheses of nature. there is nothing un-natural about dogs and birds.
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