Does anyone else think the 61% Americans opposed to the autoindustry bailout shows a

[ramoo]

loss of nationalism? So http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/03/news...tomakers_poll/ shows that 61% opposed the bailing out of auto industries. Is this a shocking number to anyone else?

Obviously I'm on the 39% other side but I always felt my stance was the majority. I hear people arguing about how those who want to bail out the auto industries only want it for national reasons. Yea you're godam right my reasons are national. I love this country and don't want to see century old car companies responsible for our early economic growth go down. Also believe it or not, I don't want to see millions of people unemployed because we dont want to pay 30 billion more in taxes (which isn't a lot compared to the bank bail out)

I just find it fascinating that this many people are against it.. Do you think this shows americans are caring less about the pride of our country? More so I'm amazed that 'analysts' on cnn are marginalizing reasons like mine and instead arguing how the bailout is not right business wise. I understand our economy sucks, but never before have I seen media figures and what appears to be Americans put business decisions over patriotic ones.

Do you guys think our country is becoming more isolated and less 'American'?

[Deliteful Despot]

So basically your reason for not wanting the auto monoliths to go out of business is nostalgia?

[ramoo]

Originally Posted by Deliteful Despot

So basically your reason for not wanting the auto monoliths to go out of business is nostalgia?

Nostalgia is the wrong term to try to attack my viewpoint. First off I wasn't even alive at the time ford and gm blossomed our country into what it is today. However I read about the history and how much ford revolutionized cars and the assembly line so he could sell them at economically viable prices. I don't want them to go out of business because they are the epitome of an American company. They've all been around for so long and are known to be a family company. Heck one reason why GM is in so much debt is because many believe they were to generous on the pensions and shouldnt have offered such great retirement plans. Believe it or not when people think of american companies, ford is one of them. Gm to probably. I can go on to talk about how if they file bankruptcy millions will lose their jobs but you already know this...

If we don't bail these companies out a piece of american culture will be lost forever. And Its not about bailing out companies that are old because believe me, I'd be happy to see Mcdonolds and lousy ass Pepsi fold. Its about cherishing and restoring a piece of culture


I really don't understand why my perspective is the least favorable.

[The Return]

This country is full of dumbasses. Democrats elect laws that mandate the lower and middle class (average) American FUCK THIS ECONOMY with their "entitlement" to loans they can't pay off and what do you know, when a viable solution to at least put some ease in these dire straits they're against it. It doesn't matter what these shit for brains think, they won't do anything about it if something against their interests is passed. Americans are the stupidest of the developed world, they only pick a side if it's cool. It was cool to hate Bush, gradually got cooler. If you're not with the herd you're a dumbass, a simpleton, a faggot. Whatever, I hope for a depression and really, only in my wildest dreams, a holocaust.

[KikoSanchez]

Fuck nationalism. The only reason the company has even been able to "stay afloat" for so long is because of nationalism. No one in their right mind should actually be buying these POS vehicles in the first place. Capitalism tends towards specialization and, I'm sorry, but these 3 have had enough time to either figure their shit out or drop out of the game. Let's face it, American companies have lost when it comes to automobiles and unless they drastically change both their product and image, the same unreliable crap is going to keep rolling off the line and all of the sane people will keep buying Japanese.

[The Return]

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

Fuck nationalism.

Pansy, a queer, less than a maggot.

[antonio123]

61% oppose it because there fucking retards and listen to those fucking jew lawyers who tore the 3 CEO's apart.

Give them the fucking money but replace the whole board. I MEAN THE WHOLE THING and than I guarantee you they will be on the right track

[lostmyface]

i think it will be better in the long run to let the inefficient big three die off, rather than slow bleed them with bail outs. that is why i am not in favor of the bail out.

i also feel that letting the big three die will take down USA union power a notch. i feel that unions, while very important have been a big reason for the loss of us manufacturing jobs.

[fretbuzz]

Originally Posted by ramoo

Do you guys think our country is becoming more isolated and less 'American'?

No. I do not drive/like American cars. If I don't drive an American car, I don't feel like I should pay extra money so all the people that do drive American cars can keep their warranties. This has nothing to do with nationalism.

If I don't use it, I shouldn't have to pay. It's that simple. Besides, most foreign auto companies are smarter and make better cars. It's not my fault GM and Ford have been pumping out SUVs and shitty vehicles that nobody wants. Blame the Big 3 for being behind the times.

NO MORE GODDAMN BAILOUTS!!!

Originally Posted by KikoSanchez

Fuck nationalism. The only reason the company has even been able to "stay afloat" for so long is because of nationalism. No one in their right mind should actually be buying these POS vehicles in the first place. Capitalism tends towards specialization and, I'm sorry, but these 3 have had enough time to either figure their shit out or drop out of the game. Let's face it, American companies have lost when it comes to automobiles and unless they drastically change both their product and image, the same unreliable crap is going to keep rolling off the line and all of the sane people will keep buying Japanese.

I couldn't have said it better.

[ductape]

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.