"There is nothing wrong with being gay."

[ChickenOfDoom]

Isn't the current theory that it's caused by hormonal imbalances in the womb? Since statistics show that you're far more likely to be gay if you have an older brother, regardless of whether you grew up with him.

But like has been said, it doesn't matter. Something being 'unnatural' isn't a valid reason to prohibit it.

On the other hand, I can't think of a basis to say that the indignation someone feels at two men having sex is any more valid than what people feel when someone kills a cute little animal for no reason.

[dagnabitt]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfDoom

On the other hand, I can't think of a basis to say that the indignation someone feels at two men having sex is any more valid than what people feel when someone kills a cute little animal for no reason.

There is no supernatural (metaphysical) justification for how we should feel about things. Appeal to some abstract moral law to justify prejudice and contempt is little more than dogmatic. if we are to be ethical humans in any regard, humans need to focus on empathy alone to determine right and wrong. Harm is a legitimate basis for care, so to speak. In this regard the empathy experienced when we witness the torture of or harm to another sentient creature is sufficient to justify prejudice and reaction. We need not appeal to a greater reasoning to legitimize our feelings, we can simply relate. We can all relate to harm, and normally (hopefully) have some sense of right and wrong when others are being harmed, even if this is not a concrete conclusion at the end of a syllogism. Empathy is not a law, but, equivocally, is a justification to care, for those who need one. That is, lack of metaphysics does not mean humanity is extinguished, only that good and evil take on less concrete forms.

There is a difference between real harm, and "moral" harm, which appeals to some explanation or authority for its legitimacy. Homosexuality is condemned in principle alone, by assholes that put too much stock in principles, and their own egos. Its no longer what is harmful for these people, but simply what is different. That is the real evil - assuming a world of individuals should fit some egocentric mold - with penalty of harm to those who dont.

An animal suffering needlessly is a blatant evil, as far as I'm concerned. There is a victim, clearly, and in that regard elicits a much stronger moral reaction than some abstract judgments about other peoples consensual sex lives.

[ZeroMalarki]

Originally Posted by the soft skeleton

Being gay is someone's personal business. Get out of it.

That's the way I see it, though I hope gay pride and stuff can come to an end soon, just like straightness doesn't need to be flaunted, neither does gay pride. That being said Mardi gras can be a good laugh though.

[DerDrache]

While you could argue that it's a dysfunction, it is undeniably natural. There is even evidence that it has a biological, altruistic advantage, in that it seems to become more frequent in overcrowded populations (shown in rat studies).

If you have a particular qualm with gay culture, or gay political/social issues, feel free to discuss them. If you simply don't like homosexual sex, then don't have it, and keep it to yourself.

/Thread.

[heroic harlequin]

Their is something wrong, these people have an unfortunate biological or psychological problem which cannot be corrected. Nonetheless since it is not harmful nothing needs to be done, unlike pedophilia.

[dark-easterbunny]

The way i see it... with overpopulation, and people evolving, gay is gonna be the new hetero.

I hope so at least... amongst men


less competition

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by dark-easterbunny

The way i see it... with overpopulation, and people evolving, gay is gonna be the new hetero.

I hope so at least... amongst men


less competition

Yeah, that would be pretty awesome. Too bad it will take many, many generations.

Maybe when we're 70 we'll get to fuck hot young girls because all of the guys their age will be queer.

[static_void]

I'm sure this subject has been exhausted... but being homosexual is as natural as rain. It has always existed in every civilization. The only reason any part of gay culture may be considered "destructive" is that society has made these people feel like they are doing something wrong; an abomination to God. And yes, homosexuality is actually good for modern society -- I really don't care to live in a world with 9 billion humans when I'm 61.

[ReclaimPublicSpace]

Originally Posted by static_void

I'm sure this subject has been exhausted... but being homosexual is as natural as rain. It has always existed in every civilization. The only reason any part of gay culture may be considered "destructive" is that society has made these people feel like they are doing something wrong; an abomination to God. And yes, homosexuality is actually good for modern society -- I really don't care to live in a world with 9 billion humans when I'm 61.

^^^THAT. In Spartan society, homosexuality was MANDATORY among both men and women. Homosexuality has been recorded in biblical times, Greece, Rome, etc etc.

Alexander The Great, Da Vinci, Caligula, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, John Cage, Liberaci, King Edward II, Leonard Bernstein, Hadrian, Frida Khalo, Ian McKellan, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Judy Garland, and probably a million other important people in history and culture are/were gay or bisexual.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by ReclaimPublicSpace

^^^THAT. In Spartan society, homosexuality was MANDATORY among both men and women. Homosexuality has been recorded in biblical times, Greece, Rome, etc etc.

Alexander The Great, Da Vinci, Caligula, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, John Cage, Liberaci, King Edward II, Leonard Bernstein, Hadrian, Frida Khalo, Ian McKellan, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Judy Garland, and probably a million other important people in history and culture are/were gay or bisexual.

They were also down with pedophilia. It's funny how times and cultures change. I blame the Puritans, and by extension, the British.

EDIT: Not that I like pedophilia or homosexuality.

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