Will there ever be peace in the middle east if both groups are alive?

[Chimro]

As long as there are Jews alive, the world will have no peace.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

Yes, I know you're a dumbass.

Clever.

And yes, violent fighting over Jerusalem has been going on for over 1000 years,

Between the fake Jews and what people refer to as "Palestinians" for thousands of years, correct? Because that's totally not what the conversation is about.

and is certainly what everyone thinks of when they think of an ongoing, violent Middle Eastern feud.

Oh, really? You can speak for every single person now?

Because that continent CERTAINLY hasn't been plagued with violence in recent memory and beyond, right?

Obviously the feud has taken different forms than the current Israel/Palestine conflict,

Better.

but it's always been about the same thing

That's a stretch, but okay I can accept that.

and if you really thought I considered the Israel/Palestine region to be the entire Middle East, you are indeed stupider than I had previously thought.

And I quote:

"Will there ever be peace in the middle east if both groups are alive?".

Now I will admit that I came into this thread with the sole intention of picking at that ridiculous choice of wording, however your ad hominem attacks, flip flopping and absolutely inane generalizations caused me to get more lol's than I had previously thought possible.

Now, I suppose I can add something on topic(forgive me if any of this has already been stated, I haven't had the liberty to look through the other replies)

1948- That's the big year. Prior to that, Jews and "Palestinians" lived in relative harmony. What caused that to change? Look into that and you'll see part of the answer to why they fight today.

Look into the segregation policies of Israel, that plays a key role in the perception of Jews by Palestinians, and vice versa. More often than not, the only Jew a Palestinian child will see is a soldier, positive? Not at all. And same goes for the Jews, they often only hear about Palestinians through the media, and they're often portrayed as terrorists, etc, what have you. This leads to generalizations, and most importantly bigotry.

Jews may see Palestinians as a burden to the realization of a "Jewish State", as Palestine has a high birth rate in comparison to the rest of Israel. That may be a bit of a stretch, but it's basis is in fact.

"Palestinians often feel humiliated as they are often held at Israeli checkpoints for hours on end and in many cases are harassed by Israeli soldiers. One extreme case was the recent footage of Israeli soldiers shooting a unarmed bound and blind folded Palestinian in the foot for no reason. There have been reports by human rights organizations of pregnant Palestinian women giving birth at checkpoints because Israeli soldiers have refused the woman entry to get to a hospital. The Israel Human Rights Organisation BT'salem has many reports on Palestinians who have died at Israeli checkpoints because they were refused access to medical treatment."


Interesting fact: In 2007, for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths. Source: UN. http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/d9d...2!OpenDocument

[LuKaZz420]

Dammit it pisses me off when people equate Arab with Muslim, not all Palestinians are Muslims, my mom's family is Palestinian Christians and they were still displaced by Israel's creation back in the late forties.

The origins of the conflict are not merely religious but rather social, when the Zionists first arrived in the Holy Land they tried to drive out local populations, no matter what their ethnic or religious background was, not just Muslims.

[Martian Luger King]

quit fuckin cussin in this thread goddamnit, shit

[Zay]

Israelis are not an enlightened people.
http://www.mystudydate.com/pg/blog/M...kiss-my-ass-ok

The problem with both groups is religion. The world would be a much better place with atheism.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by Zay

Israelis are not an enlightened people.
http://www.mystudydate.com/pg/blog/M...kiss-my-ass-ok

The problem with both groups is religion. The world would be a much better place with atheism.

Definitely true. I wonder what it would take for that to actually happen though? Perhaps if they outlawed faith schools and Sunday School programs (for kids) that would be a big step in the right direction...

[buka001]

Originally Posted by Martian Luger King

I would enjoy it if that happened; as I am sickened by the feminized state of society in the west which is a result of our consumer society as well as the mental perversion of our people. I feel this would be the only effective way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil as it is the only solution that occurs instantly and would force our faggotized, feminized populace to revert back to the traditional ways of man in which people are not concerned with worthless material objects and social status.

Mental perversions? You are the perverted one here! You are the one who welcomes the destruction of your own country, as this would surely happen if a nuclear conflict escalated. You are the one who welcomes the death of millions of people, to cleanse us of liberalism. Now that's pretty sick.

It's already well documented that minority populations often have a disproportionate amount of mental disorders when compared to the majority of the area they reside in. I don't hate Jews I hate Jewish behavior which any man is capable of.

Is it well documented? Where is it documented? Can you provide proof or link to a respectable source? Its a lie until you can prove it.

The Iraq/Iran war never would have gone far if it weren't for the support from the US and most other feminized western nations for Iraq. This conflict was a result of intervention by feminized progressive liberal activists concerned about their social status and the economy of their nation, it never would have happened if the US simply shut the fuck up and stopped policing the world. Likewise, Kuwait never would have happened had Kuwait never accepted funding from the USA and donated it to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war, which Iraq was unable to repay, which consequently resulted in illegal drilling of Iraq's oil supply which resulted in an invasion which feminized faggotron western politicians had the audacity to criticize as a criminal invasion. You can see now the dangers of the feminization of a society, a motherly government, one in which everyone is out to make everyone happy and emotions/material are more important than reality.

The US and western nations may have prolonged it, but the war was started by an Arab nation.

You have some serious bigotry issues. Racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic. Damn, you are everything all rolled into one. Now who is the perverted one here? Who has the disorder?

I am not perverted, you are perverted; for you are a fag-enabler.

No corection, YOU are the pervert because, YOU are the one who advocates sex with underage girls. You are the racist, homophobe, sexist, anti-semetic who advocates the nuclear death of millions of people, the destruction of cultures, communities, countries, economies and livlehood of ordinary people.

Do you like your house, your internet connection, your computer, your clothes, your car, your access to clean water, sanitation and electricity? Do you like the fact that you can get food easily? Well kiss all of that good-bye after a global nuclear war.

Nothing is more perverted than the advocacy of sex with underage girls. Advocating this is supporting the ideals of pedophilia. Do you fall into that category? You are the one starting threads advocating perversion, not me.

[Martian Luger King]

Originally Posted by buka001

Mental perversions? You are the perverted one here! You are the one who welcomes the destruction of your own country, as this would surely happen if a nuclear conflict escalated. You are the one who welcomes the death of millions of people, to cleanse us of liberalism. Now that's pretty sick.

You are mentally perverted if you want to preserve human life on an overpopulated planet. You welcome the destruction of your own country as well as the planet, as your liberal ideaologies cannot be sustained in a country of more than 300,000,000 maggots and an Earth being devoured by more than 6,000,000,000 people.

Is it well documented? Where is it documented? Can you provide proof or link to a respectable source? Its a lie until you can prove it.

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...summary-2.html

The US and western nations may have prolonged it, but the war was started by an Arab nation.

Iraq is not an Arab nation nor is Iran, please never confuse Muslim for Arab ever again. The war was started because of Western involvement in the middle east.

You have some serious bigotry issues. Racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic. Damn, you are everything all rolled into one. Now who is the perverted one here? Who has the disorder?

Bigotry is not a mental disorder.

No corection, YOU are the pervert because, YOU are the one who advocates sex with underage girls. You are the racist, homophobe, sexist, anti-semetic who advocates the nuclear death of millions of people, the destruction of cultures, communities, countries, economies and livlehood of ordinary people.

I challenge the existence of "underage" humans, I suggested that any human that is sexually mature is legal for sex. I never once suggested that pedophilia was acceptable behavior, that is, sexual interaction with human beings not sexually mature.

Do you like your house, your internet connection, your computer, your clothes, your car, your access to clean water, sanitation and electricity? Do you like the fact that you can get food easily?

No I do not and I would gladly give all of them up (aside from my house) as I already have access to clean water in a well and I don't understand why my house would vanish, it is located in an area in which destruction by nuclear weapons would be virtually impossible.

[buka001]

Originally Posted by Martian Luger King

You welcome the destruction of your own country as well as the planet, as your liberal ideaologies cannot be sustained in a country of more than 300,000,000 maggots ...

Maggots? Explain?


Thank you for linking me to a proper scientific source, where data is presented in an objectional scientific manner.

Do you realise that the document states that the reason for the disparities in mental health for minorities is due to institutionalised problems and NOT genetic. Hence, further segregation policies only exacerbate the problem. The disparities are due the way they are treated in communities and have nothing to do with their cultures, genetics or religions. So by instituting racist policies and segregationist ideals the problem only gets worse. So people from majority communities should not complain about a system created through their own agendas.

Iraq is not an Arab nation nor is Iran, please never confuse Muslim for Arab ever again. The war was started because of Western involvement in the middle east.

I never said Iran was. I said the war was started by an Arab country. The Iran-Iraq war was started by Iraq - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War.
Iraq is an Arab country - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nations

So where am I confusing Arab nations with muslim?

Also the war was not started by western involvement. Please read up and see that the war had much to do with the fear of the rise of the Shia muslim's in Iraq.

I challenge the existence of "underage" humans, I suggested that any human that is sexually mature is legal for sex. I never once suggested that pedophilia was acceptable behavior, that is, sexual interaction with human beings not sexually mature.

A deep discussion would emenate from this. It is highly debateable. In today's society does a 12yr old girl have the mental faculties to be able to understand the consequences of sex, love etc. Is she mature enough to decide on whether it is suitable to have sex with an older man. The primary reason why people in older times married and had sex at younger ages, is because life expectancy in those times was half of what it is now. This point lacks the credibility it would have had 200years ago. Not the topic of this thread. Try the sex and affection forum, might achieve succesful debates there.

No I do not and I would gladly give all of them up (aside from my house) as I already have access to clean water in a well and I don't understand why my house would vanish, it is located in an area in which destruction by nuclear weapons would be virtually impossible.

The point I was illustrating is that everyone will be negatively affected by a global nuclear war. Your house may not be destroyed, but food supply logistics will. Communication systems will. Economic systems. and so forth. You may have your house with a well, and a small subsistance farm, but everything you know now and take for granted will be lost for thousands of years.

[Martian Luger King]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkdQb...e=channel_page

Even Liberals acknowledge that Jews have control over the world. It's time to fucking destroy them and deport each and every one of these savages. Where to? Liberia maybe.

Look at his effort to make it clear that he is not an anti-semite and that he deplores anti-semitism. Why do people pretend to love these kind?