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Old 2008-12-31, 05:44
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Default Re: i can see a paradox.

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Originally Posted by Roxberry View Post
Right- but this being can give free will and also know what will happen. Must it happen? Yes. Can this being give free will and foretell future events with 100% accuracy? I see no reason why not. The argument, "because it must happen and therefore you can't change your mind, and if you can't change your mind you don't have free will" doesn't work. Why? Because you can "change your mind" all you want; it's just that an infallible, omniscient being knows what changes (if any) you will freely choose to make.
Imagine your entire lifetime recorded as a movie. An omniscient god knows your life frame by frame. There's not a single frame of the movie that is your life, that he did not know of with certainty even before he said "let there be light". He knows every thought you will think before you even exist. Every breath you will breathe. What you will have for breakfast next Tuesday.

The future cannot be known in advance unless it is predetermined.

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"But once God says this will happen, it must happen. If it must happen, you have no free will."

Poppycock! It must happen because he's always right. You can have free will and he can be clairvoyant.
He's always right because he knows what the future holds. He's not predicting or guessing. He knows with certainty.

You cannot have free will. Merely the illusion of such.


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I've debated this with others and it usually just goes around in circles, so I'll just bow out of this debate now.
Somehow, I'm not surprised.
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