Exorcism, and Stigmata

Well, most of you saw the exorcist and you would know that it is based on a true story, well, what do you think about it? I read a story about how a man in a hospital after no one could cure the girl they asked for a priest and he tried to cure her, well he did, after that they jumped out of the room and they locked the room sealed it completely the exact same way as it was, blood throw up everywhere, and then they put a giant statue of saint. Michael in front of the door, there is no explanation AT ALL for what happened to the girl, other than that it was a demon, and it is a confirmed fact that the priest cured her. and about stigmata, there is no medical or scientific explanation for that either. the people spontanteously bleed, if any of you have heard of i think his name was Padre Pio, and he had stigmata, and his blood stained garment is in a museum. No matter what they did he kept on bleeding same places as christ, WIth a great amount of pain as well. Do any of you Athiest and skeptics have ANY CONCLUSIVE PROOF OR VALID THEORY ON THIS NOT BEING THE WORKS OF GOD AND DEMONIC SPIRITS?!

[IzzyReele]

the human mind.

how come christians never get possessed by angels and such?

how come those who practice voodoo never get possessed by demons with ulterior motives.

[LeBagelEstMort]

i think demonic spirits and stigmata are just another way to scare the sheep into the pen. i don't believe it, completely. i'll believe that there are some extremely odd coincidences that could be linked to whatever grand force there is out there, but...demonic spirits, hell, bleeding from places that christ bled from. it's all there to scare people onto the 'right path.' i'll believe it when i see it

[WeEdAnDBoOzE]

I counter question you: do you have any proof that a demonic spirit gave the man the stigmata?

[DuctTape20]

Most stigmatas appear on the palms. Too bad Christ was crusified in the wrists like everyone else. Their hands would have been torn from their bodies if all their weight was supported in such a manner.

[Dark_Magneto]

A major reason why instances of it are either deliberately inflicted or psychosomatic.

You can burn someone with a simple ice cube if they believe strongly enough that the ice cube will burn them. It's been done under hypnosis. A person will place the ice cube at a spot on their body and the person will get burns and blisters at the site.

[Craftian]

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

Do any of you Athiest and skeptics have ANY CONCLUSIVE PROOF OR VALID THEORY ON THIS NOT BEING THE WORKS OF GOD AND DEMONIC SPIRITS?!

Do you have any conclusive proof that it is?

of course not, I'm just going for the benefit of the doubt, and let's get something straight, sorry if i worded it incorrectly i meant that the girl was possessed and that the man was some what blessed.

quote:Originally posted by DuctTape20:

Most stigmatas appear on the palms. Too bad Christ was crusified in the wrists like everyone else. Their hands would have been torn from their bodies if all their weight was supported in such a manner.

Actually the description of Jesus' death is different from everyone elses because he was not tied to a cross like everyone else, he was nailed, and yes his palms would have ripped if he had alot of weight like the humans of today, but research shows that a man could have been easily held up by his hands because of there weight was much lighter than today's and my other point is Stigmata is strange unstoppable bleeding where the marks of christ's wounds were, which include the palms and the feet. But isn't it strange that it only happens to christians? I found that odd

quote:Originally posted by LeBagelEstMort:

i think demonic spirits and stigmata are just another way to scare the sheep into the pen. i don't believe it, completely. i'll believe that there are some extremely odd coincidences that could be linked to whatever grand force there is out there, but...demonic spirits, hell, bleeding from places that christ bled from. it's all there to scare people onto the 'right path.' i'll believe it when i see it

Well, what if your eyes are wrong? for example "I" is that an I? you would say so...but everything is put into human context and what body parts we utilize. The fact is that that could be a secret T but just looks like an eye. Seeing is believing is not always true, the only way you can prove things for a fact is mathematics. At least that is what I believe. But I don't think I need to know something is a fact when by nature it is a belief.