The Origins of Religion, Magic Mushrooms, and The Dawn of Civilization: The Box Set

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Yes, it's like a pogo stick. Because no matter the logical heights it might take you to, you always land back in the illogical grounding.

I disagree with what I believe you are saying.
I think it is more like this:

http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/intro.html

"Life is caught in the tension between order and chaos. If there is too much order, everything becomes the same and there is no room for creativity or anything new. Everything must fit the one pattern. If there is too much chaos nothing can last long enough to create anything useful; everything is just a jumble that destroys everything before it can get started. Between order and chaos is found the Edge of Chaos, the point where there is enough chaos for novelty and creativity, but also enough order for consistency and patterns to endure. This point is a magic point, where new and unimagined properties can emerge."

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vanhalla

I disagree with what I believe you are saying.
I think it is more like this:

http://complexity.orconhosting.net.nz/intro.html

"Life is caught in the tension between order and chaos. If there is too much order, everything becomes the same and there is no room for creativity or anything new. Everything must fit the one pattern. If there is too much chaos nothing can last long enough to create anything useful; everything is just a jumble that destroys everything before it can get started. Between order and chaos is found the Edge of Chaos, the point where there is enough chaos for novelty and creativity, but also enough order for consistency and patterns to endure. This point is a magic point, where new and unimagined properties can emerge."

Apparently I am forbidden from seeing the either of those websites.

I think I understand what you are saying. Yin and Yang, the great mother and the great father, the opposites. I really agree with it, it makes a lot of sense to me.

However, I still see order as "coming forth" from chaos. I still see it as a creation of the other. Someone created the concept of Yin and Yang, they created that order. Just as I am creating an order with my own words. Beneath these creations I believe there is only chaos.

I agree that life is caught between the two. But I also believe that order comes from chaos, and not vice versa. Maybe I am wrong, but I also believe that's meaningless, as right and wrong are creations as well.

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by Obbe

Apparently I am forbidden from seeing the either of those websites.

I think I understand what you are saying. Yin and Yang, the great mother and the great father, the opposites. I really agree with it, it makes a lot of sense to me.

However, I still see order as "coming forth" from chaos. I still see it as a creation of the other. Someone created the concept of Yin and Yang, they created that order. Just as I am creating an order with my own words. Beneath these creations I believe there is only chaos.

I agree that life is caught between the two. But I also believe that order comes from chaos, and not vice versa. Maybe I am wrong, but I also believe that's meaningless, as right and wrong are creations as well.

It's working for me, try googling "chaos theory and complexity theory".

I see what yr saying now.
Although order will naturally arise from chaos, it will always fall back into that whence it came. The order is like a bubble in the bath tub, eventually it will pop and return once again to the chaos of the water. Of course we cannot accurately give an example because all that we know is on the edge of chaos. But the example can allow your mind to go beyond the mind.

That which is, before and after (illogical infinity), and contains within it the speck of the logical finite, could be said to be Reality. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by Vanhalla

The order is like a bubble in the bath tub, eventually it will pop and return once again to the chaos of the water.

That's what I am saying, yes.

Those sites are working for me now, don't know why not earlier.