Meat, Vegetables, or Both?

[Sentinel]

This has descended to a flamefest.















Anyways, let's get back to talking about vegetarianism, and not the colour of our perpendicular sperm deployers.

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I would like both of you to answer the following questions, without taking any personal shots:

1) Is it okay to kill plants to eat them? Why?
2) Is it okay to domesticate animals to eat what they produce? Why?
3) Is it okay to kill animals to eat them? Why?
40 Is it ALWAYS okay to kill animals to eat them (regardless of the condition in which they are raised)? Why?

That should point us back on course.

[Spiphel Rike]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

I would like both of you to answer the following questions, without taking any personal shots:

1) Is it okay to kill plants to eat them? Why?
2) Is it okay to domesticate animals to eat what they produce? Why?
3) Is it okay to kill animals to eat them? Why?
40 Is it ALWAYS okay to kill animals to eat them (regardless of the condition in which they are raised)? Why?

That should point us back on course.

1. Yes. They're there and plenty of other things eat them.

2. Yes. We're humans, they aren't. It's good to be able to do things other than walk around looking for an animal to kill so you can have something for dinner.

3. Yes. They taste good and are generally good for you.

4. Depends, do you really care about the animal? Is there a viable alternative that'll deliver the same product at a similar price and more humanely?

[WritingANovel]

Originally Posted by Spiphel Rike

Is there a viable alternative that'll deliver the same product at a similar price and more humanely?

I know in the west, a lot of places stun the animals before killing them. I mean I applaud them for their humanitarian efforts, however what I don't get is, wouldn't it be easier to just get a really sharp blade, then cut the animal's head clean off? This would save them the trouble of having to stun the animal first, not to mention it would also accomplish the actual killing ....

[Spiphel Rike]

Originally Posted by WritingANovel

I know in the west, a lot of places stun the animals before killing them. I mean I applaud them for their humanitarian efforts, however what I don't get is, wouldn't it be easier to just get a really sharp blade, then cut the animal's head clean off? This would save them the trouble of having to stun the animal first, not to mention it would also accomplish the actual killing ....

Maybe because the way it's done now is easier? Or maybe because getting an animal to stand still in a place that smells like death could be a bit difficult.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

This has descended to a flamefest.

Yeah. That's what happens when Slave of the Beast enters a thread. He apparently has trouble with the notion that anything other than (complex) animals are living. Then again, I suppose his skewed thinking is exactly what I was trying to point out.

I would like both of you to answer the following questions, without taking any personal shots:

1) Is it okay to kill plants to eat them? Why?
2) Is it okay to domesticate animals to eat what they produce? Why?
3) Is it okay to kill animals to eat them? Why?
40 Is it ALWAYS okay to kill animals to eat them (regardless of the condition in which they are raised)? Why?

That should point us back on course.

1 through 3) Yes. All animals eat plants and/or meat, and we're no different. We need energy to survive, and while plants get their energy from the sun, we have to get our energy from plants and meat. Vegetarians who claim to respect life only extend their morality to living things that they can relate to themselves. Dogs and cats express comprehensible emotion, thus many people have a problem with killing them. Dolphins also express such obvious emotion, thus while nobody gives a fuck about a thousand tuna-fish getting killed, they will complain for hours on end about a single dolphin.

Instead of talking about "life", while excluding the vast majority of things that are living, I don't claim to have a moral problem with ending life, but rather, the excessive and needless ending of life. Now, I do tend to have more concern for animals than plant lifeforms, but not to the extent that I will whine about cute animals while not giving two shits about plants or simpler animals.

4) As long as the animals are raised in a healthy, non-abusive man-made environment, I don't have a problem.

[Slave of the Beast]

Originally Posted by Slave of the Beast

I've made absolutely no statement to the affect that 'organisms without CNS's aren't truly alive', so stop talking shit.

Originally Posted by DerDrache

Yeah. That's what happens when Slave of the Beast enters a thread. He apparently has trouble with the notion that anything other than (complex) animals are living. Then again, I suppose his skewed thinking is exactly what I was trying to point out.

I'd be more cordial if you didn't repeatedly resort to posting fictitious bullshit.

[Irregular]

i don't eat meat because i think eating flesh is gross and primitive. and seeing girls eat nasty ass hamburgers is a complete turn off.

[Phanatic]

I eat meat to limit the killing of life forms. It makes sense when you think about it. Cows raised in grass paddocks eat nothing but grass, and transfer it to a usable form (flesh) for me. The grass grows back, and more cows eat it. Humans are unable to subside on grass for nutrition/survival.

Now, a cow worth of meat has enough calories for me to survive.....a lot longer than a patch of grass. I only have to kill one cow to eat for a long time. To subsist on vegetable matter, which has far fewer calories, would require me to eat a variety of fruits and vegetables just to gain adequate nutrition. That's several organisms that won't see the light of day again, just for my dinner.

Make the guiltless choice and switch to a carnivorous diet.