Hummers more environmentaly friendly than hybrids

[gatorgrip]

what you all don't realize is someday soon....
the entire world will RUN OUT OF GAS!!!!!!!
then what will happen???
all these fucking cars and 4 wheelers and motorcycles and SNOWMACHINES (WOOT) and awesome trucks will be dead in the fucking water (pavement).

you know how i deal with this problem???

USE AS MUCH FUCKING GAS AS YOU CAN NOW!
man rev that engine hard, ride all day. fucking gun it off the stoplights..
ride the shit out of those 4 wheelers and bikes and snowmobiles while you still fucking can.

that's what i do at least.

[Kleenex]

Sounds like an advertisement for the incredibly ugly toyota scion.

[ParisGreen]

Originally Posted by Pyrology

Also think about how it would be to have a gaseous instead of a liquid fuel? I cant imagine what would happen if you got into a car crash where your car caught on fire.

I haven't read the rest of the topic, so sorry if someone else has beaten me to it, but what ever happened to LPG? I hear it never took on too well over in the States, but I can't even begin to count the number of solid objects i've ran over or backed into with a full tank of actual gas-gas, and I can't say I've ever seen or heard of any gas-fitted vehicles going up in a crash.

Seen cars go up in a fireball when torched and burning for an hour, but never movie-style from a colision.

[ventrman]

I have always been afraid of using hydrogen as a fuel.
Hydrogen is very explosive when mixed with oxygen.
When I was in HS our chemistry teacher had some hydrogen in a coke bottle that was taped up very thickly with masking tape.
He put a lit match to the top of the bottle.
It exploded. If tthe tape had not been on the bottle, we would have had shards of glass flying all over the room.
If anyone loks back in the history books, the Hindenberg Blimp was fueled by hydrogen.
It exploded in mid air. It killed most, if not everyone that was on board.

[deus-redux]

Originally Posted by ventrman

I have always been afraid of using hydrogen as a fuel.
Hydrogen is very explosive when mixed with oxygen.
When I was in HS our chemistry teacher had some hydrogen in a coke bottle that was taped up very thickly with masking tape.
He put a lit match to the top of the bottle.
It exploded. If tthe tape had not been on the bottle, we would have had shards of glass flying all over the room.
If anyone loks back in the history books, the Hindenberg Blimp was fueled by hydrogen.
It exploded in mid air. It killed most, if not everyone that was on board.

QFT.

Besides, hydrogen is not energy-efficient to produce.

Plant ethanol, is, as I see it, the way forward. Until we find a way to artifically photosynthesise and ferment on a large scale.

[thunderstruck]

Originally Posted by ventrman

I have always been afraid of using hydrogen as a fuel.
Hydrogen is very explosive when mixed with oxygen.
When I was in HS our chemistry teacher had some hydrogen in a coke bottle that was taped up very thickly with masking tape.
He put a lit match to the top of the bottle.
It exploded. If tthe tape had not been on the bottle, we would have had shards of glass flying all over the room.
If anyone loks back in the history books, the Hindenberg Blimp was fueled by hydrogen.
It exploded in mid air. It killed most, if not everyone that was on board.

do your research first, moron. http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1052864.htm
what the fuck do you think happens in a car using petrol and air as fuel anyway?

[deus-redux]

Originally Posted by thunderstruck

do your research first, moron. http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1052864.htm
what the fuck do you think happens in a car using petrol and air as fuel anyway?

Whilst it's true that hydrogen was not soley responsible for the Hindenburg disaster, that doesn't change the fact that it's still explosive - when sufficiently mixed with oxygen.

Of course, in the Hindenburg disaster most of the gas escaped before it mixed sufficiently to explode.

However, if a pressurised hydrogen container in a vehicle was damaged in an accident, then the vehicle would fill up with a H - O2 mix. All it would take is a spark and it WOULD explode.

I've seen hydrogen explode. It does.

Although to a degree, there is the point that petroleum vapour is also explosive. But this takes much longer to vapourise than pressurised gas does to leak out, so explosions of cars rarely occur.

[RAOVQ]

hydrogen storage in cars does present a problem. the authorities do not want cars driving around with tanks full of the stuff, so people are finding better ways to store it. im not sure on what the progress is, but i would imagine they would be pretty close to an acceptable solid state storage option.

that said, i drive a car that runs half the time on petroleum gas. i have a big tank (about 40 litres) that sits in my boot (kind of like the one you run a bbq off). gram for gram, LPG is far more explosive than hydrogen (petrol vapour even more so again). but that doesn't seem to be an issue. the tanks are very strong and it is only very occasionally (say once a year) that you hear of one going pop, and almost every time it is due to mistreatment and lack of upkeep.

so tanks of gas are not inherantly dangerous, here the government will pay you $2000 to get your car converted to run on both. it is just the impression people get from accidents in the past. if the hindenburg was full of petrol vapour, it would have burnt just as well.

[mcamp4403]

My Ecology 101 Prof. showed a video about this in a lecture one day last semester.

[Sagewisher4]

This is the same newspaper that recently published the article "Rape Only Hurts if You Fight It."

http://tinyurl.com/2f5sd9