where

[AR-180]

where in the bible does it say that if i just believe in god and jesus i will go to heven

[---Beany---]

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[stumblemonkey]

no where, you have to do more then that

[AR-180]

im sorry i didnt elaborate it is just that i am sick of stupid christians say they dont need to be good people all they have to do is beg forgivess and god and jesus will just forgive them and they will go to heaven i have read about half of the new testament and have not found anything about it

[theBishop]

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him [Thomas], I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Romans 3:10 - For there are none who are righteous.. no, not one

1 John 1:9 - When we confess our sins...God is Faithful and Just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness

Romans 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be Saved

Need anymore? Sorry dude, as far as the bible goes, your "Stupid Christians" are correct. According to the bible if you have ever sinned, you have fallen short of heaven. Old Testament jews used to offer blood sacrifices to cleanse sin, but we sin constantly, there aren't enough animals to kill to get one person into heaven. Thats why Jesus' death was necissary. He is the sacrificial lamb that cleanses the sin of all who believe in him. However, if you truly believe in Jesus' sacrifice and his teachings, you will do good anyway. Good works are a sign of strong faith, but they do not get you into heaven.

James 2:14 - What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Here's a website that seems to explain it pretty well.

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/perfection.html

theBishop

[SEN D-F]

So what, do we just have to believ in Jesus? Do we have to believe he was who is depicted in the Bible? Do we have to confess? Do we have to do all? If so why does each individual saying seem to stand alone in telling me that thats the way to heaven?

[Lucky]

You are supposed to accept jesus into your heart. He will make you live a good life casue he will call you into to doing stuff like feeding refuges from bulgaria or somethign. He will also call you to not sin. So if you do sin you will know its wrong and you will have to stop. I go to a christian private shcool so I hear this all the time but I dont thikn I believe in it

[---Beany---]

^ Your heart tells you what's right and wrong. What's right for one person is wrong for another.

Everyone has to follow their own path and although Jesus gave guidlines for salvation, it doesn't mean that his way is the right way for everyone at their time of life.

Some people aren't ready to understand what Jesus said.

[theBishop]

Either way, i think i answered AR's question, and managed to defend myself from being labeled a "stupid christian", not that what some kid on the internet says about me affects me :-P.

[inquisitor_11]

The idea of "belief" is more often than not mere mental assent i.e. signing up to set of creeds or ideas and saying "i believe this".

The heart of Christianity is not in taking up a group of rules or ideals or warm fuzzy feelings. Even the demons he exorcised "belived" he was the son of God!

It is, rather, a concrete response to a man that claimed he was the "Son of God". The question has always been the same. "Follow me".

This response always involves "faith" in the sense that you believe him to be who he says he is, and able to do what he says he can. But, in the end it is a concrete decision not merely the adoption of an idea.

Edit 1: mispelt signing singing

[This message has been edited by inquisitor_11 (edited 03-16-2004).]