GOD...OR SCIENCE?

[KwOnLiE]

Now,some people might say that if you pray hard enough or long enough whatever the case,that,if someone's ill be it with cancer,flesh eating disease,or whatever (basically sick with a disease)and you pray for them to get well,and they 'somehow' get better,that that was an act of God.Well is it really? Or has science really interviened here.Personally,it's my belief that evrything has to do or is associated with science,fate,or destiny as it be.Like if your going through a real hardship,and you pray to God to help you out,and things eventually smooth out and seem to get better,is that really an act of "God",or has your decisions and choices helped you out,or your destiny or fate was involved and you overcame these hardships.No offence or anything I don't exactly want to start some religiouse war or anything,but do you really think there's someone out there sitting around (or floating I guess) wasting all his time answering millions and millions of prayers,to people who's destiny is already set in place.For evry action,there is a reaction,your destiny is set in motion by the choices you make and the actions you take.People think that 'God' created man,but really in my opinion,and many others,man has just been created by the science of evoloution,which is clearly and evidently a scientific fact that all beings large or small evolve to some point,and continue to do so.

now,you might say "well you just have to believe,or have faith" okay,well I peosonally dont believe in anything I cant see,toutch smell hear ect...So if your nieve enought to believe something that someone else told you but they clearly have no proof or anything and you still believe them,then if i told you,"in two years from now the earth will shrivel up to the size of a golf ball and evryone will die" you would have to believe me concidering that i have presented no proof of it what so ever.I think that believing or having faith in God is like praying to yourself,"me,i have faith in my big toe,i pray to my big toe and it brings me many great things"thiers really no difference in doing that than praying to God.If you look at it realistically it's true,instead of having faith in God why dont you have faith in a lamp pole,it'll do just as much for you!

Personally,religion is not the smartest thing to get into for it only causes war's and fights and shit.All these people thinking that if they are good and do the right thing all the time they will go to heaven,and are willing to fight for thier religion,well I think if there was a God he would say as has been said before "live and let live" which states that if someone believes in something or doesn't believe in something that that is thier own choice and to just let them be...but no,some fucking idiots are going around killing other people just for the sake of religions and "God",because they either dont believe in thier god or just dont care,or are calling them fuckin idiots for believing in something that clearly doesn't exist or make sence to them.I think god is just another thing that people look to for hope,and hope that this 'God' will help them in some way,or show them the right path to lead thier life in and shit like that,but if you really want hope,start thinking sensuosly and realize what might happen if you do certain things what the outcome might be and go from there....anyways..I could go on for hours about this nonsence...tell me what you think!

[---Beany---]

quote:Originally posted by KwOnLiE:

No offence or anything I don't exactly want to start some religiouse war or anything

Haha. KwOnLiE is the start of a religeous world war coz of his thread in totse.

Anyway, God/spirituality whatever and science do co-exist. God can be explained scientifically but I guess god is the only one with a mind powerful enough to explain himself.

Dude you don't know enough to form opinions.

Some people believe in god by knowing themselves.

[ashesofzen]

KwOnLiE:

Now,some people might say that if you pray... ...Or has science really interviened here.

"Science" cannot intervene. Science, as a catch-all term, describes how things happen (I realize that this isn't the most accurate definition, I'm typing on the fly). It doesn't heal the sick in some mysterious way.

Personally,it's my belief that evrything has to do or is associated with science,fate,or destiny... ...and you overcame these hardships.

Why must a destiny be involved? Can one not overcome their problems without the intervention of fate?

No offence or anything I don't exactly want... ...to people who's destiny is already set in place.

To some people, yes, there is someone "floating" around, wasting time and answering prayers (as you put it). Also, how will you back up your statement that things are predestined?

For evry action,there is a reaction... ...a scientific fact that all beings large or small evolve to some point,and continue to do so.

Someone else can go for this section.

now,you might say "well you just have to believe,or have faith" okay,well I peosonally dont believe in anything I cant see,toutch smell hear ect...

And yet, evolution is fact? Care to tell me how to develop my "sense of evolution?"

So if your nieve enought to believe something that someone else told you... ...presented no proof of it what so ever.

Nope, just because one has faith involving a particular idea does not mean they must have faith in another.

I think that believing or having faith in God is like... ...tell me what you think!

First, you blame religion for causing wars, fights, et cetera. Then, you turn around and acknowledge that it's people, not the religion, that cause all of it. So, which is it?

[This message has been edited by ashesofzen (edited 03-26-2004).]

[theBishop]

I guess AoZ and Beany have sort of hit this home already, but, what God does IS science.

[The_Rabbi]

God or Science?

Whoever said one must choose?

well many argue that god is your almighty creator, bla bla bla, but catholisism, at least, contradicts it self alot. one of my favorite is this: you don't beleive in god, you go to hell. now look at it in the human view: you don't think your dad is real, so he tosses you into a fire and makes you burn forever.

so i beleive that god is an imaginary friend. a guiding character that tells you what is right or wrong. god is your concience. god is your common sense. god, esentailly, is you. religon is just to keep the masses in line, or in some cases, out of line. science can prove just about anything, so science is my best source.

SCIENCE

[ashesofzen]

vermont

...one of my favorite is this: you don't beleive in god, you go to hell. now look at it in the human view: you don't think your dad is real, so he tosses you into a fire and makes you burn forever...

How exactly does this qualify as a contradiction?

[theBishop]

Did your earth father die for the sins of the world, if that is the case, than i guess your analogy is sort of acceptable.

[KwOnLiE]

well,i dont know what the hell your talking about with that sence of evoloution crap,but obviously evoloution is not a sence it's just something that occurs,things evolve naturally due to thier needs over a vast period of time,example (a giraff eats different sorts of vegitation,after a long period of time,(lets just say a verry long ass time)vegitation grows scarce on ground level and thus the giraff evolves to a point where it has an elongated neck to grasp vegitation at much greated hights...that's not the best example but im sure u get the point),evoloution is not a sence like smell,taste toutch ect ect ect,it just happens.Okay,lol i might have exagerated about the war thing it was kind of a joke,but anyway.science obviously doesn't heal people in 'mysterious' ways at all,just things involved with it,like cells,atoms you know,stuff like that,so when someone gets over an illness,it's not some invisable character(God) reaching down and just making shit right cause someone was verry good and durring prayers prayed for this individual to overcome an illness and 'poof' God responded and made a miracle and played around with cells atoms and all that crap and fixed the problem,im not saying that if this were the case no one would be dying and stuff,it's just that when a religious persons family member get over some sickness they say "it's the workings of God" and all that crap,why the hell would they even have any remote thought that something helped out in the process? it's just science and the way things work,the person's body got better due to treatment or something (something, being thier cells and shit reacting a certain way to stuff)i mean,if you dont understand what im trying to say here,then there's sumthing wrong with the way i said it or your just ignorant

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Haha. KwOnLiE is the start of a religeous world war coz of his thread in totse.

Anyway, God/spirituality whatever and science do co-exist. God can be explained scientifically but I guess god is the only one with a mind powerful enough to explain himself.

Dude you don't know enough to form opinions.

Some people believe in god by knowing themselves.

dude that is EXACTLY how i see things but i never thought id be able to get it into words the way you have.dude i wish more people were like you.