I wrote this as a reply to another thread, but thought that it was worth making it a thread of it's own.
Tell me if I'm wrong about anything, but I'm pretty confident I'm right. (However I have been up for the last two days and nights straight, surviving on little more than one chicken taco, booze, and crystal methamphetamine. So, I'm a tad wobbly.):
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I'll try to answer these one by one:
"Do jewish people think they are the "chosen ones" and believe in zionism?"
- Not all of them. There are many different sects of judaism. One even believes in Jesus as christ.
"Do jewish people have a nationalistic pride that doesn't except nor will ever except a different nation as a peoples?"
- No. What's going on in Ysrael right now has nothing to do with them being jewish. It happens all the time all over the place. I grew up in a latino neighborhood and I remember all these african american families started moving in and the latinos "ran them out of town" so to speak, just because they thought they were making their neighborhood crummy. They weren't making it crummy. It was already crummy. But, it was easy to blame it on them. It's the same thing out there. The muslims are blaming the jews for their poor quality of life and the jews think the muslims are bringing their quality of life down.
That's a super simplified explanation, but that's the jest.
Also, though some sects of judaism teach that jews being the chosen people means they are closer to god, most sects of judaism teach that we are chosen to bare the cross of mankind.
"Jesus preached against these ideas and they killed him for it."
- Also, "the jews" didn't kill Jesus. (First of all, that's like saying "the catholics" killed the British in the War Of The Roses just because Joan of Arc was a war leader and she was a catholic. Probably many of the other members of the army were also catholic, but more than likely some of them didn't really have any particular convictions one way or the other.) The Romans initially killed Jesus. Of course, there were jews around, and at the time the king of the jews was an infamously ruthless king: King Harrah, who had killed several of his own wives and children, and who had it out for Jesus ever since people started calling Jesus the King Of The Jews. So, after Jesus made a public disturbance on Roman soil, he was arrested by the Romans, escorted back to his land but was refused stay by Kind Harrah and his henchmen, who gave the Roman soldiers to go-ahead to crucify him.
So, now you know.
"Nationalism of jewish people is very evident and they have even created their own country with it and it seams they are on the same track here and in pretty much every other country."
- What you're thinking of is Zionist Judaism. Zionist Judaism is a sect of fanatic Judaism that teaches that the jews should own, colonize, and take political rule of "Zion". However, most jews don't agree with this, because (this is a mite funny and will sound non sequitor, but it fits, trust me):
By fighting over political standing both the jews and the muslims are in direct opposition with their own doctrines. It clearly states in the Torah that no jew may own land or take political standing other than the messiah and it clearly states in the Quran that no muslim may own land or take political standing other than mohammed.
Why do you think jews wandered for so many hundreds of years without a country? Palestine, and that area, was the closest thing forever that the jews had to their own land until the state of Ysrael was purchased by the UN for the displaced jews after the Holocaust as a global relief effort. So, the Palestinians sold the land to the UN and the UN sent all the displaced jews there. Most of which had been living in Europe and were very westernized.
They were given a plot of crap ass land and Zionism was born. Zionism taught that it was okay to be in opposition with the doctrine and many of the people at the forefront of the Ysrael land development were Zionists. They errigated(sp) it, made it usefull and then all of a sudden the Palestinians wanted to move back. So, a lot of Palestinians moved to Ysrael (since it had - at one time - been their land, and it was more fruitfull than theirs was now). The jews, themselves, had never enstated any foriegn policy. All of that was still controlled by the UN. They only justified the fact that they owned a land and had taken polical standing by the fact that it was bought for them, they'd just endured the Holocaust, and what the heck the muslims have been doing it for thousands of years and no ones saying anything to them about it.
But, then the Palestinians started saying they wanted to take back polical power in Ysrael and make it Palenstine again, mostly because the way that westernized jewish way of life clashed with their own more traditional middle eastern way of life.
The Jews said no and the Palestinians decided to just take the land back.
So far, it hasn't worked.
But, the bottom line of all that is that most jews feel it's great that Ysrael exists, because it's been a long time and they've been through so much bullshit to get where they are, but they don't feel it's worth fighting over because it's opposition with their doctrine. In other words, they'd like to keep it, but they know they wouldn't be good jews by fighting for it.
"the occupation of jewish peoples resulting in the enslavemnet of the masses,"
- Too late. You're already occupied by jews, and you're already enslaved. Not by jews, but you're a slave to your white-washed christian government instead. Does that make you feel more comfortable?
I hope that cleared some stuff up.
Cheers,
Lost
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