Muslims

[Ocular Gyric Crisis]

I know there are few muslims here (very few) or at least some people who'd know a bit about Islam.

I just want to ask... is it really true? Is the heart of Islam violence and intolerance and being pertually pissed off?

I want to believe there is some good and that Islam is a benevolent religion that has gotten as far it has by helping people. But I've seen too much shit to the contrary. Just about every country from Jordan to Indonesia is... well... fucked. The turnout of terrorists and violent protestors overreacting to the Allah cartoons...

[The_Rabbi]

I am not a Muslim, but Mohammed did not convert his enemies by asking them nicely. There is a history of conversion by the sword.

That said, one must be certain to make a clear distinction between fundamentalist Islam and modern, "western" Islam. The two are very different. I very much like modern, "westernized" Muslims. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they keep to themselves.

I would MUCH rather live in a Muslim neighborhood than a Mexican neighborhood. It's when you start getting the Wahhabi fuckheads who want to convert the world that you start having trouble.

[Ocular Gyric Crisis]

Exactly. I realize that fundamentalism make up a small part of it and that it's only been spreading recently because of rich Wahabbis funding impovrished areas to pump out pissed off zombies. But I still don't know exactly what's at it's core that was started by this war lord type dude.

But also one thing I want to observe... I've never seen any muslim charities that help non-muslims. I've seen lots of Christian and Jewish organizations.

[The_Rabbi]

quote:Originally posted by Ocular Gyric Crisis:

But I still don't know exactly what's at it's core that was started by this war lord type dude.

Well, really, the Wahhabis are the ones who ARE the true Muslims. Mohammed WAS a warlord, he was not this peaceful martyr like Jesus was. The goal of Islam is to convert the world by any means necessary.

Since that's not what I want, though, I celebrate the "bad" Muslims who keep to themselves.

[sikkoabbadon]

When you look at it - the western world is shouted at for "Religious Intolerance" or *laughs* "Islamophobia" - but when you look at it, the root of violent mainstream intolerance lies with the fundamentalists who fester in the middle-east.

When you look at it - Christianity was at one time no better, but this doesnt mean to say that it was right. We live in a different world now, "conversion by the sword" is no longer acceptable.

I think that this is gradually proving that in some cases - not all - a multi-religious, multi-race country or world cannot exist peacefully. Especially when fundamentalists on both sides are totally convinced that their way is right and that their god/belief system/way of life is the most supreme or "True" way.

[malaria]

Well, to be fair, Muslims have historically offered the option to convert or be sacked. Christians did something similar with barbarians, though most often they killed them. Both religions have extremely volatile and bloody pasts. Muslim countries pre-Israel have been much more tolerant of Jews and Christians than Christians have for.. anyone.

Anyway, the religion preaches both peace and violence, but so does Christianity. They're very similar.

I've never been to Arabia or anything, so I don't know how fundamentalist muslims act, but I do know western muslims who are much the same as everyone else.

[Procrastinator]

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I am not a Muslim, but Mohammed did not convert his enemies by asking them nicely. There is a history of conversion by the sword.

That said, one must be certain to make a clear distinction between fundamentalist Islam and modern, "western" Islam. The two are very different. I very much like modern, "westernized" Muslims. They don't drink, they don't gamble, they keep to themselves.

I would MUCH rather live in a Muslim neighborhood than a Mexican neighborhood. It's when you start getting the Wahhabi fuckheads who want to convert the world that you start having trouble.

you ignorant little twit i am a muslum and i know that it is against the quran (muslum equivelant to bible) to not force another religion to convert unlike the christians with the crusades.

[Loc Dogg]

It's not exactly forcing.....but they don't really have a positive future if they refuse. Their army is torn to shreds, they are occupied and taxed. At least they get to keep some of their laws and are allowed to worship their own gods, etc. As long as they pay tax, they are under protection of the Islamic State.

[The_Rabbi]

^ Interesting. Are you speaking of the conquests of Muhammad while he was alive, or the conquests of the Caliphs and the expansion across Africa and into Europe after his death?

It would seem to me that Muhammad was not so forgiving, Qurayza being a prime example.

[co-prophet]

Hi there,

well I`m a muslim...my name is abdul muaiz.

First of all, I appreciate your post.

Allah said, those who look for hidayah Allah will grant him hidayah.

Hidayah is something that pushes you to do good deeds.Without hidayah, you can`t even say the word "ALLAH".

Yeah it`s hard to see the Islam in muslims because Islam is only in books nowdays you know what I`m sayin?

Okay...I`ll explain but you gotta excuse my english.I`m a Malaysian btw..

The work telling god to human is called dakwah. This work has been the sole purposed Allah sent 124 thousand prophets to this earth= to correct the beliefs of man, dat only Allah gives benefits and harm.

Other than Allah, cannot gives harm and benefits without Allah`s permission.

Allah creates everything and does not need allies. He does not depend on his creation.

In paying intention to the worms below the earth, Allah is not unintentive of the birds in the sky and the fishes in the sea.

If man wants to create or repair something he must have a veryu clear lighting and wide space. AlLah creates man in a very dark and cramped space: our mothers womb.

So this work which we call Dakwah, the muslim have abandon it.

Is telling people about Allah really important?

Yeah, for example we look at the story of moses and his people, when be chased by the army of pharoah and the dead sea is infront of them, people of moses panic and claim " oh moses we`re dead, the sea is infron and the armies of pharoah is behind us!"

This people of moses is the kind of people who when they chant, the roots of trees climbed their bodies. The have seen the help of Allah with their own eyes : when they were hunggry in the dessert, Allah sent them food from heaven.

but this people, does not make dakwah. So even with seing the help of Allah with their own eyes their beliefs to Allah still doubful.

But moses replied " No!!Not at all, Allah is with me!!!!" Because he is the one who talks about the grteatness of Allah everyday, so the greatness of Allah enters his heart.

Allah then ordered moses to knoch his cane to the sea. Now, our inteligence might have argued, why don`t we knock the cane on pharoahs head of his army?

But Allah Do as he pleased.

So the sea devided into 12 paths.You know the story.

So this work of dakwah, we muslims have left. It is somewhere in the 30s the dakwah revive and expanded in India. Now we`re catcin up...

So to know about Islam, you got to go make dakwah buddy, where do you live? Maybe you can go out with us for three days for starter. Then you`ll learn about sunnah ( way of the prophet )and other cool stuff dat can`t be described by words.

my email+ [email protected].

yo rabby, i think you miss understood.

email me and I`ll tell you the code of muslims in war. A really cool stuff.